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Sunday, March 6, 2011

Do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?"


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I have heard from several voices this morning people who say they are Christians expressing judgment and hatred toward the "Muslims and Fags" marching in the streets as seen in this video.
Saying horrendous things about them and toward them.

If they really only knew what they were saying they would HOLD their tongue of fire.

Let us see what Jesus says about this in Luke 9:51-56

51When the days were approaching for His ascension, He was determined to go to Jerusalem;
 52and He sent messengers on ahead of Him, and they went and entered a village of the Samaritans to make arrangements for Him.
 53But they did not receive Him, because He was traveling toward Jerusalem.
 54When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, "Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?"
 55But He turned and rebuked them, [and said, "You do not know what kind of spirit you are of;
 56for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.

I do not justify their actions or lifestyle, but shall such condemnation come from us who are NO JUDGES but who have been or are being judged.
For whence did we come... were any of us without sin?

Oh! I get it my sin is comparative.
You know like man's law, or the Old Covenant.

Well man's law changes from day to day according to the flesh, and God's law is an administration to death for ALL OF US.. thus Jesus went to the cross to redeem us from the law.

To what do you compare your sin or righteousness to?
To man's concept of good and evil, or the holiness of God?
If it is the holiness of God, then this stands true.
Romans 3:10
as it is written," THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;

Judgment begins with the household of God,

Truth is truth.

Christ died for us while WE WERE YET SINNERS - while we were YET HIS ENEMIES - not after we got saved.

It is because of Him we are saved, being saved and will be saved not because we do good, or follow Him, or any of that,

The heart must be changed by the inner presence of Christ taking His rightful throne in our hearts, taking down the temple of the flesh, casting the false prophet, the Beast, the anti-Christ out into the outer darkness, it is not that which goes into a man, that defiles him but that which comes out!
Thus Jesus could say to the demons, COME OUT!

Look inside your heart, who is there:?
Who reigns 24 and 7?

Is it the Son of God, or the BEAST, the Adam man?

 19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

The temple of the flesh must come to crucifixion, before we can know and experience resurrection life, and then have the Son take His rightful throne of our hearts.
The law is there as an administration of death. Thou shall not..but you did and I did anyway.

So thus sin becomes exceedingly sinful and destroys us, these people are in destruction under the wrath of God for the moment, their flesh will bring them to death, so that Christ can raise them up, give them new life in the Spirit. 

They must come to know as we all need to come to know, that  the FLESH PROFITS NOTHING...

It is the Spirit that gives us  life.

God WILL move  into every man's life -  He will take all that flesh and do as Paul said to the Corinthians:
1 Corinthians 5:5
I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

But note Paul did not speak of eternal torment, damnation, though this young men was in grievous sin.
He said for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

Note: Paul did not appeal to the authorities of this world to do this, or men's law to take care of the problem as the ekklesia has so been blinded to do, but He said for the Ekklesia to do this, those in the assembly of the "called out one's of God".
Jesus said whatever YOU SHALL BIND ON EARTH SHALL BE BOUND IN HEAVEN.

I hear Christians say all the time about this person or that person.

"They need to go to jail forever or need capital punishment or we need to send the powers to kill them, drop bombs on them and all such foolishness  which is of the flesh of men."

But He turned and rebuked them, [and said, "You do not know what kind of spirit you are of;  56for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.


Paul told the Corinthians even in simple matters this:

 1 Does any one of you, when he has a case against his neighbor, dare to go to law before the unrighteous and not before the saints?
 2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts?
 3Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?
 4So if you have law courts dealing with matters of this life, do you appoint them as judges who are of no account in the church?
 5I say this to your shame Is it so, that there is not among you one wise man who will be able to decide between his brethren,
 6 but brother goes to law with brother, and that before unbelievers?
 7Actually, then, it is already a defeat for you, that you have lawsuits with one another. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be defrauded?

8 On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren.

Note even though he spoke to those who seemed were already suppose to be saints.

YOU DO THIS EVEN TO YOUR BRETHERN!

What brethren?
He goes onto say this:
 9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

and here is the final blow that brings this into context who all our brethren are:

11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

The very one's to which he spoke of in verses 9 and 10.

Yes, you see, we have brethren both who are saints and sinners, and since, those who are still children of disobedience which if we are walking with Him now, we are now children of obedience, sons of God, but it never changes our relationship to that which Christ has brought us from and where we are now. We are all children just the same.
Though some are Son now and some are not, but it is the faith of Christ to which we have been graced, that not of our own. It's all grace.


God is revealing here, what his wrath is upon the unrighteous, they are a in a state where they know not the Kingdom of God, and we His people often bind and loose, but it is always God's work though. We were all bound in sin it is He that loosed us from it's power but it's been given to us, to loose others from it's sting, death in this life, by prayer and intercession for our brethren that are yet may still be, children of disobedience. How are we to do this? 
By Forgiveness that to which we received and love that to which we received, we didn't get it by our own efforts it has BEEN GIVEN TO US AND ALL MEN - JUST ALL MEN DO NOT KNOW IT YET and HOW SHALL THEY KNOW UNLESS SOMEONE IS SENT. 

Forgiveness and love-  not by calling down fire upon them!

We present the Gospel the GOOD NEWS OF JESUS CHRIST not so much by what we say we believe but by how we treat others, both children of disobedience and children of obedience, Israel of the Spirit,  Israel of the Flesh.


In this case of the young man caught in sin, Paul is about to demonstrate the very truth of God. We His people should follow Paul's example, we are not to use the world's authority to correct our brethren any of them children of disobedience or those who were in obedience for a time.
The world will take care of it's own but we are not of the world, we are only in it.

We are to see what Paul is demonstrating here is how God works upon ALL HIS CHILDREN, not a form of doctrine of church practice but of spiritual realities.

Remember Paul is giving a carnal people spiritual lessons here less we become confused by it, and begin a whole new age of inquisition and torture..
but wait isn't that exactly why so many "christians" support the ideas of capital punishment, war, hatred, racism, etc.?

 
Those that are in disobedience right now, are not experiencing, enjoying living in the presence of God's love for we know that, for the Kingdom of God is not a place but a state of being, whereby it is righteousness, joy and peace in the Holy Spirit.
Their due punishment is upon them even now, they are under the wrath of God. They are only looking for a fleshly way out and none shall be found, they are as Sodom and Gomorrah was, they want others to join them in their flesh so that they might justify their flesh, but God will justify no man's flesh, but crucify it

God delivers such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

There is no such thing as a carnal Son, there are carnal children,(children of disobedience) the church has mislabeled these even in their churches as carnal Christians.
As if they were Sons but living like the devil... SORRY NO SUCH THING
they are are sons but only adopted sons because the Father's  love for all of us expressed in Christ for all men, in His reconciling all of us to God.
Forgiving us all our trespasses.

ALL MEN HAVE BEEN RECONCILED TO GOD AND FORGIVEN THEIR  SIN AND THE LAW IS REMOVED AS A CURSE UPON US...but not ALL HAVE YET BEEN CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF HIS SEED - HIS SON~ Jesus Christ.

The promise was to the Seed, not the seeds, there are millions of seeds but without the SEED we are just seeds. God implanted the SEED within us ALL.
Though still His creation, still loved by Him. He will not lose one of us seeds because of the SEED!
Gods Will is for us ALL TO BE CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF HIS SON and not just being any child, adopted children, but A SON OF GOD by His blood and union of LIFE!

Thus His seed is implanted in our hearts as the incorruptible SEED so that SEED can grow up into the very tree of  Life within us to HIS GLORY.
God did this when He poured out His Spirit upon ALL FLESH.
Done deal-. God came to dwell with men.
We can no more activate that germination  of ourselves-our seed to become like the SEED then we can by our own will power have THE SEED put in their in the first place.

Unless God do the watering, by the washing of the WATER OF THE LIVING WORD our seed is there, and His SEED, but until God germinates HIS SEED, then we remain seeds, that may be yet in rocky ground, or often the flesh (the power of death- the diabolos,the devil) steals it for awhile, the cares and the riches don't allow it to grow,so the Father has to turn the soil, remove the rocks, take out the other cares, cast off the evil,  and the good SEED Jesus Christ inside will germinate and it IS THE FATHER THAT  REPLACES THE SOIL AS WELL by removing the flesh from us, AND  IN DUE TIME, and THEN HE THAT IS THE GOOD SEED WILL GERMINATE and the other seeds will be like seeds of the SEED.
The soil is all that old flesh and nothing more, God has to remove that soil so that HIS SEED THAT HE HAS PUT INSIDE OF EVERY MAN may come forth and produce.
this is the man who hears the word and understands it; who indeed bears fruit and brings forth, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty."


Matthew 13:37
And He said, "The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man,

  1. Romans 1:18
    For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
The unrighteousness of men unless God intervenes by grace in our own lives will continue to even manifest itself eventually  into the depth of the sin of homosexuality.  The wrath of God is upon them, they know it not yet, but when AIDS or illness or mental illness results because of it, the temporal work of the adversary.. look at Job, the only instance in which Satan actually does something to Job, the rest of it, was all the natural evils that came on the outside of Job's life, loss of family, home, goods, slaves, etc.THE BOILS CAME OF DIRECT CONTACT FROM THE ADVERSARY....for what purpose to destroy the flesh.

See my blog: http://joeblackblogs.blogspot.com/2011/01/evil-spirits-in-old-testament-and-satan.html

Was this young man in Corinthians to be in that place forever of destruction of course not! Eternal Torment?
Of course not. He was yet a child of disobedience, a child all the same because of creation and God seeing him through His eyes, not the eyes of men. Judging according to the flesh!

Paul makes it very clear that his being turned over to destruction has purpose, will and God's counsel in it.
Some must go through this all the way to physical death until the day of the Lord comes for them as well in God's eternity, God's time, not ours or for some it comes in their lifetime, regardless they will repent, either in this life or the life to come when the day of the Lord comes to them. 
The carnal man looks to the future in carnal things for that which is called the day of the LORD.  You must see it's spiritual relevance and meaning which goes way beyond those ideas of men's imaginations.

Jesus comes (appears)  as HE did for this young man before he died, we read in 2 Corinthians this:

5 But if any has caused sorrow, he has caused sorrow not to me, but in some degree--in order not to say too much--to all of you.

 6 Sufficient for such a one is this punishment which was inflicted by the majority,

 7 so that on the contrary you should rather forgive and comfort him, otherwise such a one might be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow.

 8 Wherefore I urge you to reaffirm your love for him.

 9 For to this end also I wrote, so that I might put you to the test, whether you are obedient in all things.

 10 But one whom you forgive anything, I forgive also; for indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, I did it for your sakes in the presence of Christ,

 11 so that no advantage would be taken of us by Satan, for we are not ignorant of his schemes.

See God puts ALL MEN of FLESH TO THE FIRE of  the ADVERSARY, over to that which will oppose the very flesh of men... The serpent would eat dust for now on - men, flesh man is mere dust -thus all men die, physically, and aging is nothing more then disease, sickness that which is our due punishment, but not our due state of eternal presence for it is God that brings us immortality in due time.
All of us must endure a time in the wilderness, either here or over there, the temporal punishment of the flesh, but the sin nature which would condemn us all to that eternal state of death was dealt by the work of God in Christ at Calvary. Christ delivers us into the promised land, for you see HE IS THAT PROMISED LAND!


The Spirit of life is that which God breathed into all of us, that He may show His forgiveness and bring restoration, and thus we then praise Him, love Him because we find this to be true.

Who among you is without sin? Let him cast the first stone.

1 John 4:19
We love, because He first loved us.

It is when God has brought you through the fires of his love, through the destruction of the flesh, where you cry out to Him, then the Word of God says this will transpire, there my friend is repentance!

Romans 10:13
for " WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

and see this,please may your eyes be opened by the Almighty One, and your ears to hear,  it is important everything I am writing here is spiritual truth the carnal mind cannot grasp it, understand it.You may even now object to it. The carnal mind cannot receive that which is spiritual, it can't comprehend it, even a little.

God has to open your eyes and ears.

# Romans 9:25
As He says also in Hosea," I WILL CALL THOSE WHO WERE NOT MY PEOPLE, 'MY PEOPLE,'AND HER WHO WAS NOT BELOVED, 'BELOVED.'"

# Romans 9:26
" AND IT SHALL BE THAT IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID TO THEM, 'YOU ARE NOT MY PEOPLE,'THERE THEY SHALL BE CALLED SONS OF THE LIVING GOD."

Go in peace, yet knowing our story is Jesus story and if not I promise it will become thus.

Joseph Black 


Wednesday, March 2, 2011

Universal Exchanged Life in Christ

What is the "Universal Exchanged Life in Christ?"


In a nut shell, the exchanged life is Christ living His life through us, in us and as us, and we living in Him, rather than us trying to make life work through our own efforts and resources.

It is made possible by our union with Christ in His death, burial and resurrection.(Romans 6-8).


All men were in Christ at the cross and the resurrection,


2 Corinthians 5:19

...namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

There is the Good News, this is the Gospel, not what is being preached.


God created man with certain essential, or basic, needs. Among them are the need to be loved and accepted and to have value and worth. The moment Adam quit trusting God he was on his own, to try to obtain these, Adam chose to quit trusting and start trying, thus all men are driven to get these needs met. The unique ways in which you try to meet your basic God-given needs for love, acceptance, value and worth is your "flesh."


The reason you often live and think this way, is because from the day you were born into this earth, you have followed the patterns of this world, because you were taught to obtain these things by your own selfish means.

Your particular versions of flesh are the unique ways that you have lived by and depended on to meet your needs.

Your flesh "patterns" were developed based on the messages that you received about yourself as you were growing up. These messages helped form your "identity." Your identity was formulated by the same concepts Adam had after the fall, that “whatever his behavior was that was what his identity was.”


He could no longer see God’s love, mercy and compassion, and even imagine God, as pure love and holiness, one to simply trust again, Adam could only see as all men usually see is God and himself in terms of good or evil, and even though he desired to do good, he could not.

His nature had changed, he now had a “sin nature”. He could do no righteousness. He could not be righteous. His mind was blinded in darkness.


The “flesh” and the” sin nature” are two different things.

The sin nature is that which made us incapable of holiness, trust, love, righteousness, knowing peace, so on.


The flesh, is those things that have been habitually used by us to form our identity.

To obtain these God given needs, found only in His hand of grace.


Christ came and crucified the sin nature for all men! He reconciled the world unto the Father.


This is what I refer to Universal Reconciliation or Justification.

Man was no longer under the law, Christ fulfilled the law, and with the law gone, there is no sin, or it’s penalty based on the Mosaic Law.
Can you sin? Well yes, sin is no longer based on the breaking of the law, but the mistrust of this new exchanged life given to us by the Father by the Spirit through the accomplished work of Jesus Christ.


Romans 14:23

23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.



So, you ask why do men, still sin? If all men have been reconciled and given this deliverance from the sin nature?


They aren’t sinning in the sense of breaking the law, they are living out of their old identity, doing good, doing evil, the flesh, moving from one end of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, to the other, but it's fruit is still all the same- poison, we all still have that ability and are the only choices he can make, man cannot by human will choose to be saved, man must be chosen to be saved. Previously he was chained in darkness, in capable of seeing the light. Now when the God chooses He chooses them by the hearing of the Gospel which gives birth to that seed which has been planted in the heart of all men in this new creation. This seed then brings forth life, what we often have called being born again. It is by the incorruptible seed of God that a man is born again, and God does the illumination, God does the choosing, God does the saving, and the Father alas bears His fruit into the life of one, who He enlightened with the Gospel, thereby making that person a partaker of divine nature. Spirit life. Man could not hear, or see, unless the Father had already made this New Creation for we would be yet like Adam unable to see or hear. Prior to Christ, death on the cross, the Pharisees could not hear or see, but Father by His divine grace chose those who He chose to do come into the Light of His Son. 
No man can choose God, God has chosen us, through the reconciliation of the world unto Himself in Jesus Christ, and it is this message when spoken to a man, when told in the truth of the TRUE GOSPEL that brings forth this new birth. How shall they hear, unless someone preach THIS GOOD NEWS TO THEM. That all men have been reconciled to the Father in Jesus Christ, and that God has poured out His grace among men, making them New Creations in Christ, and poured out His Spirit upon ALL MEN.
The sin nature was destroyed in Christ at the Cross of Calvary for all of us., it holds no more power, over us, you or me or anyone.
Mankind has been freed, into liberty. They no longer have to sin.

The true Good News of Jesus Christ will reveal that to anyone when presented to them, this is what shall give birth to that incorruptible seed of God who waters it  by the washing of the water of the Word, and brings the seed to germinate and break forth from the ground producing a tree of righteousness that bears fruit to God of God which results in holiness!

For far too long the church has taught that a man still has that Old Nature.
He does not, but how shall a man be saved if He is not to hear the GOOD NEWS?
All that all man have is the leftovers of the fall,  before hearing the Good News and after hearing the Good News, it is called the flesh.
So thus those that have come into the knowledge of Christ can still live fleshly as any other man, but in so doing, he is being "faithless" to the very work that Christ accomplished in his life, death, resurrection, ascension and pouring out of the Spirit unto all flesh. 


We have believed the lie, too long, and often because we don’t understand the difference between the two. The Sin Nature and the Flesh.
This has resulted in ineffective body of our Lord Jesus Christ, who more rely on sin consciousness then Christ consciousness.

You will always struggle with the flesh, God will have you on a journey until you breathe your last breath here, to learn to trust in Him versus the old way of doing things.
You will be on a planned journey by Him to discover life is not in that which was born from the sin nature- the flesh, but life is found only in the Spirit. He that is spiritual is he that is born of the Spirit.


‘The wages of sin is death.”
Complete and absolute separation from the Father is the wage of sin.

No man prior to Christ experienced this death of separation from the Father, nor will any man, because Christ was slain before the foundations of the world. Man merely died prior to the cross and the breath of life, returned unto God whom gave it.
The Old Testament people were in hades " sheol," the grave awaiting the resurrection of life that would come through Christ resurrection. In death, they had no remembrance, they were asleep yet. With the close of Christ work, they were awakened to glory to ascend to the Father to be forever with the Lord.

Psalm 115:17
The dead do not praise the LORD,Nor do any who go down into silence;

Proverbs 9:18
But he does not know that the dead are there,That her guests are in the depths of Sheol.

Ecclesiastes 9:5
For the living know they will die; but the dead do not know anything, nor have they any longer a reward, for their memory is forgotten.


BUT WAIT THERE WAS THE PROMISE THAT JESUS CHRIST BROUGHT FORTH


Isaiah 26:19
Your dead will live;Their corpses will rise You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy,For your dew is as the dew of the dawn,And the earth will give birth to the departed spirits.


Jeremiah 31:40
"And the whole valley of the dead bodies and of the ashes, and all the fields as far as the brook Kidron, to the corner of the Horse Gate toward the east, shall be holy to the LORD; it will not be plucked up or overthrown anymore forever."

This entire passage in Jeremiah speaks of the day of consummation, not just Israel of the flesh, but ALL ISRAEL, the Israel of the Spirit, the chosen sons of God now ( Gentile and Jew who are presently walking in the Light of Jesus Christ, and ALL MEN then the ISRAEL OF THE FLESH.
Thus ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED.
Less we forget that we are all HIS CREATION.


Perhaps then you can grasp the significance of why the ETERNAL ONE- Jesus struggled with knowing what He was about to undergo, for which no man ever had or ever will have to undergo, because He did for all of mankind. He suffered the wages of sin - DEATH real DEATH. Separated from His own divine self.
Jesus experienced what the Old Testament people righteous or unrighteous did not.
For you see they had never known holiness. Some had been positionally granted righteousness because of their faith, but none had known holiness, and no man can see God without holiness for God is holy.

Jesus purchased Holiness for the entirety of humanity.

Those in trust know it now, but there is coming a time, "when no man will say to another man, know the Lord for ALL SHALL KNOW HIM!"
The glorious day, when all flesh shall come to God. Did you know that all flesh will?

  1. Psalm 145:21
    My mouth will speak the praise of the LORD,And all flesh will bless His holy name forever and ever.
  2. Isaiah 40:5
    Then the glory of the LORD will be revealed,And all flesh will see it together;For the mouth of the LORD has spoken."

Socrates didn't fear death, because he believed that matter was evil and this is what kept men in bondage, he believed that by dying he would be spirit and then be released from evil for spirit was good.

Jesus knew and most men have never comprehended why He struggled with his coming death.
I mean He was the Son of God, right? Surely he knew it was only for three days, He tells the disciples this.

Why was Jesus death so difficult for Him in comparison to that of Socrates, who gladly chose to die even by his own hand?

I tell you why, because in that death, HE would truly die and experience absolute, total darkness, no presence of love, separation from the Father, separation from that which was within Him.
Until you really grasp this you will hold to false teachings about hell and other matters that have nothing to do with the wages of sin or God's love expressed fully in the Son.

We know He did not die separated from the Father forever as some like to say the Second Death is in Revelation.
If this Death and eternal one is the penalty of sin, then Christ would still be there in death, or in hell, but He is not!
For God never intended nor does He intend to destroy or torture His creation forever and ever, as the false teachers have proclaimed.

We know He did not enter some burning torturous place of damnation called Hell that is eternal,
No, the wages of sin is DEATH but He would undergo not just any death.
He would experience total absolute separation from the Father. Thereby experiencing the plight of men, because of the sin nature, incapable of seeing God, incapable of experiencing God, incapable of fellowship with God because of the Old Adamic nature-- the sin nature.
We were in Christ, and Christ at that moment was in us.
He experienced every bit of our darkness outside of fellowship with the Father, Our Creator. But not just our experience but imagine this, that of the WHOLE WORLD! What a burden, what a terrible thing to undergo, just so that the world be reconciled unto the Father, what love, that He would identify Himself completely with His creation.


Complete and Absolute absence from the Father. Think about it, that my friend is the wage He took upon Himself, when He cried out, "My God, My God, why has thou forsaken me?"


What Jesus accomplished in the death and resurrection, was eternal, meaning it had no beginning nor an end.


He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. God speaks clearly in the last Chapters of Revelation on this matter, and John repeats, Christ words here, “IT IS FINISHED, as “IT IS DONE”


Christ has died in time and space for you and I, He became flesh for you and I, he lived, and suffered, for you and I, and all along what drove Him to the cross wasn’t God's need for someone to punish for our sins/ The church has falsely proclaimed this as well in error. We still mistakenly think that today in “church circles”, but what drove Jesus to the cross was the His love and the Father’s love to remove the curtain of separation for us from entering the Holy of Holies so we could once more all of mankind be in fellowship with Him and the Father again, to erase the old nature, the sin nature, the life of Adam. He brought forth a New Creation as the LAST ADAM.


Man no longer is under the power of that sin nature, an exchange took place that day at the cross, we were in Him, all of mankind - the old man, the old Adamic bloodline, that old sin nature whereby man could never be holy, was crucified and killed there at Calvary.


But it wasn’t enough to just kill or remove that which was against us, the Father still desired children, so Christ was raised from the grave, as a NEW CREATION- and we all of mankind were in Him.
Christ not only took away and removed the old man out of the way, he birthed a brand new creation to which all men were in Him.


Do you know that all men are brand new creations in Him?

I did not say, that all men know this or experience this, or live it out. Even yet many who claim to be Christian do not know this, for their way of life says different.

What any of us do, is not our identity, Christ forever settled our identity at the cross and the resurrection, yes HE REDEEMED US!


If you and others are still “trying” to meet your needs independent of Christ with the only resources you have available to you: your mind, will, emotions and your physical body that is called “the flesh”.

The reason so, Christ did not change our minds, he changed that which put us into bondage, the reason no man could ever see God’s love and acceptance since the Fall.


He wiped out forever, that sin nature, for which held us in bondage to the flesh.


The flesh is the primary thing that hinders us from knowing and experiencing the victorious Christian life.

Living in the flesh is also known as the self-life.


It is not the sin nature, but all those things that have formed your identity in this world of sin. That is FLESH.

Striving to meet those God given needs by trying versus just trusting.


Because we were all born in Adam as well , we initially were born without this knowledge of the work of Christ.

Thus our spiritual faculties, our mind which influences all our actions were dead to to this knowledge of the Good News and our Father who the Bible says, God is love.
For some it seems still so.We however are not to judge but to look at all others through the eyes of God.
Paul said this, that he preached all men complete in Christ.

Those that do not yet see the Father as God is love still will persist with the whole Adamic view that God is wrath. But, we have been given the mind of Christ. Our thoughts will effect our behavior.
So we are given an admonishment by Paul.

  1. Romans 12:2
    And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect
Most to many Christians fail to overcome their flesh and really experience living from that which is within the life of Jesus Christ, because they have failed to not be conformed and they thus do, because they do not even bother to take the time, to renew their mind. How can you expect to be transformed with a simple Sunday morning sermon, that 90% of the time, has nothing to do with the GOOD NEWS but everything to do with the bad news, that tells you to TRY instead of TRUST. That tells you as if by human will you can pull yourself up by your bootstraps and do good. The law is constantly mixed with grace in the institutions of men's teachings. It is the OLD ADAM they appeal to, to work out your salvation in fear and trembling, by the power of your FLESH.
They forget the verse is balanced with:
Philippians 2:13
for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

So they keep the people returning to the same tree to eat from as Adam, rather then resting in Christ and seeing that it is GOD AT WORK IN YOU both to WILL AND WORK for HIS GOOD PLEASURE!

There is little taught about that GOD accomplishes all that He has set out to do in you, versus what YOU CAN DO, NEED TO DO, and MUST DO.... that gets pretty tiresome, for it is no different then going to a job and a boss demanding the same of you. When shall they rest, where shall they find sanctuary from the world, when the very place they attend is proclaiming the same message as they are? Is Christ not our rest from the efforts of the FLESH?

Since we did not yet know this truth, and many yet do not, we were forced to live out of our own resources. Many Christians today still suffer under this burden of the flesh, and have not come to know the rest there is, in the Spirit of resting in Jesus Christ alone as our TRUE SABBATH.

As a result of dealing with the impossibility of getting our needs met, we are driven to make up for this deficiency.

The desire to have our needs met is so great that it consumes our energy; we become solely focused on that longing.

We become thoroughly and intensely self-centered in our quest for love, acceptance, value and significance.


The main result of this is the loss of our true identity. We were created to have the life of God within us, (in our human spirit) and us in Him, yet we don’t know this.


Therefore, our very reason for existence is not apparent to us.

We are born in a condition of not knowing who we are, but being driven to find out.


There are only two kinds of inner life, Adam-life (trying- by good and evil) or Christ-life (trusting- receiving this Grace from God) (Romans 5:14-19).
But the nature that held us all in chains- the sin nature has been not only brokem but destroyed through the Victory of Jesus Christ.

All of us are born in a world that teaches us and acts out of the old Adamic-life (thought life effects our lived life) ; an identity of ourselves without the life of God.


It was the identity of himself and God that Adam lost in the garden for all men.


Therefore, our behavior is not our only problem, but rather our minds effecting our hearts and our actions. Which in turn our behavior arises. It is from our very center of being, the heart that the old Adamic life attempts to arise again from the dead, but it cannot, IT HAS BEEN CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST, it can only make us believe that we still ARE that old Adam, and when we trust that,  then our flesh, our old habits then begin to rule and cause our behaviors that are contrary to the Spirit, this is because we lack trust...and whatever is not of faith, is SIN.

Our identity is the problem that keeps us from living godly. It is when we fail to identify ourselves with the New Creation that Christ made us all, and that He has given us a new heart, and wrote his law upon hearts of flesh instead of upon stone. (Old Covenant law) that we can be carnal Christians, in other words living as if Christ had no effect to change the inner man.


It is the bondage to this lie, this illusion, this disregard for God’s work of love and grace that we yet wrestle with, not the old sin nature, but the old sin, stain, Who Am I?

The blood of Christ washed away our sin, it destroyed the sin nature, but the identity for which we have been taught not only in growing up, but in much of religion and even “christian religion” has kept us blind to the truth, of the completed work of Jesus Christ, so we often find we live out of that old identity until God by His grace reveals to us, by the TRUE GOSPEL, our new identity. This continually revealing, Christ coming, Christ appearing to us, is a lifetime Journey in which we learn to overcome the flesh, and the lie that we are that old man. WE ARE NOT- HE IS DEAD- CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST AT CALVARY.
THERE IS A NEW MAN THAT GOD HAS CREATED OF ALL OF US. SAINT AND SINNER ALIKE. IT is He- Jesus Christ within, wherein lies the Kingdom of God, that desires to remain on the throne of our heart, and HE will, HE shall not give up that which is rightfully His, Your will or a Devils will shall not thwart His will!

The Universal Exchanged Life that took place then becomes our new identity, and we now see ourselves as God has made us, New Creations, not just forgiven, but the old nature, that old identity ERASED in Christ at the cross. We begin to experience life, the abundant life, the godly life, the redeemed life, this new life, no longer based on what I do, but who I am.
A walk of trust in God and no longer trying.



I am the beloved of God my Creator, who has never quit loving me, but loved me so much, he removed out of the way that thing which kept me from knowing Him, and knowing He is love. I am not that old sin nature but a New Creation in Christ, quite capable of living in His righteousness, not my own, but His, given to me freely by His love and Grace! I am capable because He is capable, I live now because He lives!


This is how the inner life is changed? It has been exchanged. Trust it, rely on it, God is now the center of your life, He is your Father, Jesus is your brother, the Spirit is YOUR LIFE!


Galatians 2:20 states, "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me, and delivered Himself up for me."


The reason people don’t come to understand this, is they have been taught wrongly that salvation is about escaping something you deserve after death. Hell! and Jesus went through all He went through just to get us to heaven if we will just believe that!  Then we are saved!

Thus many of God's sheep are left there to hang in oblivion asking but what can I about this flesh, this way of life, all this I have grown to hate about myself. They are told, only to TRY HARDER, PRAY HARDER, READ HARDER, ATTEND CHURCH HARDER.....and they DIE!
THE LIE!

God did not send Jesus to go to hell for us, but to drag us out of the hell that we were already in! Remember the Wages of Sin is death- not hell, as pagan and catholic tradition have twisted the whole Good News to be.


This is what happens when a person comes to know this fact, to know this new identity given to us freely by His grace. Then he is saved, from his old identity, his old thought process, his old trying tree, rather than trusting tree for this life here and now- this is salvation.
It has nothing to do with after we die, and everything to do with while we are alive!


Jesus reminded the Pharisees of this.. they wanted to talk about the afterlife.

He blows them away with this statement.

Matthew 22:32

" I AM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, AND THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB"


He is not the God of the dead but of the living."


Mark 12:27

" He is not the God of the dead, but of the living; you are greatly mistaken."


Luke 20:38

" Now He is not the God of the dead but of the living; for all live to Him."


Salvation (keep the heaven and hell thing out of it) is when a man realizes he is no longer the same type of human, possessing the sin nature of the Adam life, but is a child of God, that He has the life of Christ, and thus is a new creation, and one with a brand new identity. He is a Child of the living God.


This is salvation, this is the delivery of this new spiritual faculty understanding of who we are, because of Christ, and that we are not that old Adam, but we are in the last Adam, Jesus Christ - the life giving spirit.

We come to understand, salvation isn’t about getting to go somewhere when you die, but being somewhere while you are alive.


Thus heaven comes to earth. Thus His will is done on earth as it is in heaven.


Not the heaven of I get everything I want or could imagine, like some have distorted it to be, that’s no more than the first identity trying to squeeze the work of Christ into selfishness and foolish imaginations of men.


No that is not it at all!  
What we obtain is freedom of the fellowship of the Father and the Son, again, and to relax in that presence, and live by simple trust every minute of our lives, in His love for us.
This is not just for us, but His love  IS FOR ALL MEN!
We quit trying and start trusting.  

We quit defining ourselves in what we do, but now define ourselves in WHO WE REALLY ARE!


We believe the Scriptures that Christ was crucified for us. Do we not also believe the same Scriptures that teach we were crucified with Christ? God has created something completely new inside of you.
 
This is a spiritual reality, not just positional truth. This NEW CREATION is your true identity.
This son of God is who you are in Christ, and because He is in YOU!


"If anyone wishes to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me. For whoever wishes to save his life shall lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake, he is the one who will save it."

Jesus says the way to life is through death, and if anyone is to follow Him, they must deny self.


I hope you understand with much more clarity.

To really understand, you must understand, that going to hell was never the problem God had to overcome.

Man was in hell the moment, Adam turned from trusting to trying. Christ did not come to deliver us from some punishment of a cruel God of men’s imaginations and fallen carnal mind, but He came that we, all men, might have life, and that life was in Him and is still in Him. He is the light of the world.
WE WERE DEAD AND WITHOUT HOPE. BUT LIFE HAS COME! HE IS HERE!


Men still don’t come to Him, they turn to religion, they turn to good works, some give up and just do evil.

They do not know who they are yet, they don’t know and have never heard the true GOOD NEWS, they are still trapped in their old identity but they don’t have too be.

Thus Paul said again above in Scripture at the end of the first verse I provided here.


He has committed to us the word of reconciliation. 2 Corinthians 5:19..... This is the GOOD NEWS not the false gospel that men have been presenting of Christ.


Let us present the true Good News of the work of Jesus Christ for all mankind, that He is the Victor, the Triumphant One, who has purchased this for us, which belongs to ALL MEN.


Watch your life, and the life of others change. I mean REALLY CHANGE

PREACH the GOSPEL not religious tradition. LIVE the GOSPEL, not religious tradition.

LOVE GOD and OTHERS because He first loved all of us....from the very beginning, God wasn’t mad at us, man just couldn’t see it, and sad to say, there are folks today who still do not see that “God is love.”


Christ Victorious, this is the GOOD NEWS. Thus the angels said on His incarnation into this world our world, the earth- PEACE and GOODWILL TO ALL MEN on EARTH.


Men today are like all the pagans, asking but what of death?

What then?
I say to you, What of Life?
What of now?

Jesus destroyed sin and (spiritual death) so that all men may be with the Father forever.
How God reveals His love to those that didn’t get it here, is His business, but no matter what, you didn’t get it here, either on your own, that was the Sovereign will and act of God, if you have come to understand reconciliation and salvation like I have just explained here, God gave you the light by His grace, and the faith of Jesus Christ. Nothing that you have obtained from God or in God, came because you willed it so.


Let no man boast but in the Lord. God has not chosen some men for hell and others for heaven, he has only chosen some to understand and have life here and some to understand and recieve life over there, so that His plan can be worked out for all of us.

Ephesians 1:11
also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,

Note: WORKS ALL THINGS... not just some things and leaves the rest up to mankind to mess up.
He does so AFTER THE COUNSEL OF HIS WILL.... not ours.

So, that “every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess, Jesus Christ is LORD!


I pray that in reading this, if you are not a Christian by your identification, that you will see that Jesus has given all you will ever need to accept what I have told you here, he has removed that sin nature that would keep you blind to this knowledge.


I pray if your identity is that of a Christian, that you would come to understand what that really means, outside of what you do, and see who you REALLY are.


To both, the mercies, compassion and love of the Father has been given freely to us, in Jesus Christ, King of Kings, Lord of ALL!


Joseph Black D.D.

Wednesday, February 16, 2011

Does God Learn? Where Did God's Wisdom Come From?

New Video: Does God Learn?
From where did God's Knowledge & Wisdom come?

Click here: http://www.bible-truths.com/video/WhereGodsKnowledgeL.wmv

This video and with what L. Ray has to say here, should blow your mind, and spiritually touch your heart to see some truth as it did me, even more then just what is said here.

Here is what the Spirit of the Lord showed me, in what he says. He doesn’t say what I saw here in what He said, but this is what the Spirit of the Lord showed me in what he said, but which is what I believe he means to teach here spiritually.

Colossians 1:16
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him.


Who? Wisdom that's who. Who is Wisdom - Jesus Christ- that's who.

I Corinthians 2:6-16

6 Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away;

7but we speak God's wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory;

8 the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory;

9 but just as it is written,
"THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD,
AND which HAVE NOT ENTERED THE HEART OF MAN,
ALL THAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM."


10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.

11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God,

13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.

14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
 

15 But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one.
16For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM?  

But we have the mind of Christ.


Can you see it, Christ is the Wisdom that he is speaking about here.


This will help you to see what I see how God sees.... God in seeing Jesus (his created being, the man -Jesus)- by His foreknowledge of ALL THINGS IN MAN’S HISTORY that He (GOD THE CREATOR) would bring about. (that He the Father would come and give birth, to Jesus by His Spirit through a young maiden named Mary) and in Jesus- the man, would be the full expression of HIM- God.
Jesus -the man, Christ- the God.
Yes, Christ *Anointed One, has always been- He is pre-existent, and Jesus was already with the Father, for Wisdom (Jesus the man, his created being) came forth out of the Father by His foreknowledge of what He was going to do, in creating the man Jesus that He would send forth to suffer, and die, and redeem all of His creation. Thus GOD SUFFERED by His foreknowledge, and Wisdom came forth to create what we read in Genesis - In the beginning!
This Jesus, the man, born in human flesh but by the Spirit of God, is, was and always has been, though he had not been in human history yet,so He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the End, of creation - man's history!
Yet, people do not believe, that since all creation began in Him that it won't end in Him- the great consummation that Scripture is so clear about, where "God will be all in all."
There are not THREE GODS but only the one TRUE God, from which Wisdom (the Son) was birthed from and that came and is and always was!
Thus GOD WAS IN CHRIST, of course He was!
Thus, Jesus would be and is- the Son of God and Son of Man.
Who now sits at the right hand (authority and power) of the Father, Our Creator.
God realizes and experiences suffering.... GOD DID AND DOES AND HAS SUFFERED.
Christ “learned” obedience through suffering,
Christ suffered so that we might live!
but more than that, what I see now is because God knew and experienced those same sufferings in complete reality, He suffered, and this suffering, produced the Wisdom that came forth from Him which created all things.
See the circle of how God sees, it is infinitive, and immortal, it has no beginning and no end. God is, and always will be. God was and is now. Thus this Wisdom that came from within God to create was there already but was birthed out of the foreknowledge of Him, knowing from within Him, within His very self, He would bring forth the man Jesus, who would be the full expression of Him, who would suffer and God would suffer with Him, so God experienced that suffering as well, and out of that suffering, Came wisdom- Christ, and out of that came "In the beginning".
What a paradigm mind blowing, spiritual blessing understanding.
I got from this one thing that L. Ray went after to seek an answer for. Like a child with a simple child like question. Mommy does God learn?
Jesus said:
Mark 10:15
"Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all."

Does God Learn?

Yes! but no, not in the sense He learned from something outside of Himself, but from within, He suffered, and foreknowing, and from within that foreknowing, He suffered and from within that suffering, WISDOM came forth, and all things were created for Him and by Him

I hope you see this one! It will rattle your cage, and bless you spiritually beyond bounds!

Here is something else to see out of this, nothing is REALLY learned from outside of you- exterior- letter of the word, everything is learned experientially from within you Spirit.
We learn what we really learn, not by what someone else teaches us, but what we learn from our own experiences.
Thus we experience thus we learn. That is why NO man can really learn from just the letter of the word, He must experience the Living Word , to learn, the WISDOM!
“Intelligent answers may come from outward teaching, but Wisdom comes from within.”
I am so thankful for the things I have undergone all my life, all the suffering, all the problems and pain, all my failures, all my missing the marks, because from it, I gained experience which has given me His Wisdom, not just some “book” knowledge” but life knowledge. I only love like I love, because I have experienced His love, which burst through from His Wisdom which too came by pain.

If you suffer, if you are in pain, my message to you, is God HAS SUFFERED AS WELL, and HE IS SUFFERING EVEN NOW in patience, until the plan is revealed as COMPLETE IN CHRIST, which many yet want NOT to see or believe, but someday soon, the plan that Jesus saved all of that which is HIS, His creation will be revealed, and my heart as His heart suffers in patience of awaiting for that glorious day, when Jesus will be revealed to all men, as the ALPHA AND OMEGA!. The beginning for us and the end for all of us.

BTW- L. Ray Stevens is one of most discerning Scriptural teachers I have ever read, that has tremendous Wisdom as well. If you have not ever read anything he has written I challenge you to do so. You can find all of his writings at:
www.bible-truths.com

Ray has been battling stage IV terminal prostate cancer which metastasized a year ago throughout his skull, spine, arms, legs, shoulders, hips and pelvis. His PSA (which should be .5, or certainly no higher than 1 or 2) has risen from 107 last summer, to a staggering 740 by December, 2008.

He is under the extensive care of a local Naturopath, (who has two doctor's degrees) and is following a rather ponderous protocol involving nearly a hundred daily doses of a wide variety of supplements along with daily ozone treatments and various other procedures.

Ray has deeply appreciated hearing from those who have known of his condition. But let it be known that Ray trusts in God for any healing, not in supplements.

March 2010, Ray is still alive and here is the last post, I have found on his condition.
Greetings to God's Elect, Forum members, and bible-truths readers:

I am encouraged by all the emails I receive from many who are praying for my recovery. I wish that I had a better report to give than I am able at this time. Today starts the third week that I am confined to a wheelchair. I cannot walk or stand. Part of the problem is gout. Hospice checked my blood for Uric acid last week, and it was very elevated. Since then, the massive swelling of my feet, right knee, and left hand and fingers, along with the pain has diminished somewhat, but I am still unable to walk or stand. I am not discouraged, however. My trial is not greater than I can bear. The Emphatic Diaglott and the Concordant New Testament renders I Cor. 10:13 better than the King James:

"Now, faithful is God, Who will not be leaving you to be tried above what you are able, but, together with the trial, will be making the sequel also, TO ENABLE YOU TO UNDERGO IT."

I am able to sit and work at my computer on most days. My latest paper: "HELL is a Christian Hoax" is nearing a hundred pages. I thought it would be finished by last Fall--hopefully sometime next month. Look for it at the top of our home page. In fact, below is a reproduction of the first page of my paper:

HELL is a Christian hoax

L. Ray Smith debunks the Christian/Muslim doctrine of an eternal hell while giving a Scriptural critique and commentary on New York Times best selling book: "23 minutes in Hell" by Bill Wiese.

You can read some of this critique at: http://bible-truths.com/23-minutes-in-hell.html

May the God of heaven and earth, grant you His Wisdom, and may you come to know the full breath and knowledge of His encompassing love and mercy toward all of His creation through Jesus Christ His Son.

Joseph W. Black D.D.

Sunday, February 13, 2011

You Believe in Eternal Torment, then PREACH IT!

My Famous Sermon on Hell Fire.
 

You can use it if you like it if you think it might save one person from this "torment" eternally.

The Sermon Begins.. walk slowly to the platform, Bible under your arm, slamming it unto the podium to wake up all those awful persistent evil and wicked sinners who CHOOSE to live in sin..

"Today, I am so glad you are here. For I have come to tell you one thing and one thing only, unless you leave here tonight without a decision to believe in Jesus, you are going straight to hell and there your body will be in hot flaming fire to be tortured forever, and ever and ever more.
Have you ever burned yourself before?
Have you felt that pain, that instant agony and sought relief from your pain?
Did it bring tears to your eyes?
You sought relief didn't you?
Well I am sorry to say, that if you don't believe in Jesus God's only Son, this night, that you are going to feel pain and agony of that burn, not just on a finger or your hand, but your entire living body for the rest of eternity. The stench of flesh burning and the agony of that pain, will go on forever, and worst yet, your sister or your brother, or your mother or your own children (if faith is what saves you, too bad they can't believe like the rest of us, huh? So there is only one place for them too go as well as all those other people of different religions and denominations who never even had a chance- never heard and knew about Jesus to even believe!), even your wife, may be there in hell as well.
You can have the assurance of going to heaven looking down at them and you will not be able to go to them, and give them some water to cool the pain, you won't be able to doctor their burns, because see GOD is going to make sure their flesh doesn't cook away. He is going to give them eternal life too, so they can burn forever!
But if YOU don't "believe" tonight like I did- He is going to have His way with you forever and ever and ever and ever for every finite sin you ever committed, your crying and gnashing of teeth will do you no good, He will only pour more fuel upon the brimstone, and He will be satisfied to see your pain and agony, He and the others in heaven, will be joyful to see you burn, because it will remind them, they believed, and that is why they are where they are at and you aren't. You get what you chose SINNER, so you better choose right now!
HELL OR HEAVEN, only you can save yourself right now, with the right decision, the good decision.
Quit your EVIL!
Those in heaven will be proud with their decision for Christ, they with God will take joy in your everlasting torment, they will sing and dance around the fire and at last say JUSTICE to you SINNERS. They will say at last the wicked are getting the eternal whack they deserve. At last there is no evil, God has thrown in His hell, my mother, my brother, my baby, and the Hindu down the street into ETERNAL TORMENT, they deserved it, they wouldn't believe!
We are so glad that WE chose Jesus, and don't have to be tortured forever and ever and ever like they do!
We weren't stupid we got ourselves out of that, all you had to do was just simply repent and believe.

I tell you those of you sitting there, right now, thinking, that's alright I have tomorrow or next Sunday to come down, but oh! No! Don't think that God will grant you another breath to breathe, you better get down to this altar right now, you better fall on your knees before GOD who is just waiting to deliver His eternal torments upon you because you fail to quit sinning and come to Jesus!
I can smell the stench of your flesh now, I can hear your voice now, crying to me to give you a drop of water.
But wait, I hear the cries of most of humanity, I hear the Buddhist, I hear the Hindu, I hear the Jewish, I hear the Confucianist, I hear the Muslim, I hear the cries of ever man ever born before Christ came to go to the cross, trillions upon trillions of people in the Old Testament, trillion upon trillion since Christ died to deliver us from hell that you refused to believe in.
I hear the cries of those who refuse to come to church, I hear the cries of drunks, the drug addicts and the homosexuals, the prostitutes, I hear their cries for help, I smell the stench of their flesh, and watch as the flames rise higher and higher as they get what they deserve, they chose to sin, but oh not me, see I believe in Jesus, so I got me some salvation quick.
I saw that hell, that God was going to send me to, if I didn't “believe” in Jesus, so I got my ticket to heaven quick, I got my self together as quickly as I could and I said the sinners prayer, got myself into church, cleaned up my own life, all because you see I believe in hell, and damnation and eternal torture, and I believe God DEMANDS my belief,
You bet, I believed that He Jesus died for me, so I am safe now.
Do you want that safety and security from being cast into eternal torment, where Satan will be, to make it all the worse, to stab you with his pitch fork, and stoke the fires of hell, damnation and eternal torture, is that where you want to be?
Then if not, you best start feeling the agony, the pain here and now in your mind, and hurry run to this altar and repent of all your sins, tell God what a lousy worm you are, how you are no good, and just a lousy no good for nothing sinner, and you don't want Him mad at you any longer, you see what He does with those He is angry with, He will see that you get what is coming to you, and it isn't going to be as short as the pleasure of your sin was, for those finite sins, He will see that your body and flesh is tortured forever and ever and ever. Along with all the children who didn’t believe, all those that never heard the Good News!

The Good News, is Jesus bought you some time, he bought you a way out from getting this punishment that you so well deserve, he gave you a chance to get out of hell for free if YOU just will believe that brother, and accept him as the One who paid off the angry and vengeful God by taking your punishment.

I hear those screams of agony now, but for me, I don't mind, I don't care, you see they deserve that what they are going to get, they refused to "believe."

But wait, I do care enough to tell you about it, so get down here tonight.

"Today is the day of salvation!"

I smell the stench of their flesh, and I hear the Devil laughing with glee for he has WON most of all of humanity.

That's right most all of humanity because brother many are called but only a few chosen, has God chosen you for hell or heaven, it's up to YOU to decide, here and now, whether you want to live in heaven and watch the others fry, or do you want to be one of the human french fries? (this one always gets a laugh, comedic relief is good for those who saved themselves and believed already)

Make up your mind for today is the day of salvation from this eternal torment that GOD will be sure to see you get if you walk away tonight without telling him you are sorry for your being a no good sinner, and you are going to do it right for now on, you aren't going to cuss, anymore, you are not going to fornicate anymore, you are not going to drink anymore, you can't because your going to be too busy doing good things, like going to church, reading your Bible and praying.
(This is good, gives them time to do it during the week just before Sunday service) Besides, it is belief that saves them, right?

You aren't going to keep your money anymore for you, your going to give 10% or more whatever is necessary to prove you BELIEVE  You are going to give it to this church for now on. {Collection will be taken immediately at the end of this service.} Coffers are full after a good night of hell fire preaching, I promise.

You better come now, the invitation is open, or this eternal torment might begin for you in the next minute, I know a guy who was sitting there just like you, I know he wasn't saved, never saw him come here but that one night, his wife had come for years, I preached this same sermon, he dropped over dead before he could even hear the rest of my sermon, and sorry to say, Sister Mary, and you know this, he is right now frying and screaming in agony, right this very moment, he is forever and ever in torture with no chance of relief, Mary knows it, but she warned Him and now she can hear his cries for help and smell the stench of his flesh, but she is OK with that, and proud, she believed, he didn't so he is only getting what he deserves and chose.

Today is the day for salvation from HELL, get down here quick like I did, repent, quit doing all that sinning get here to church on time, start reading that Bible, so you can see and read into it how God destroys and punishes forever and ever and ever those who refuse to “ believe”.
Now is the time, save your flesh, run down here, before the fire is stoked with one more of the trillions that have died and been cast in to those eternal fires, where the worm dieth not. The worms get eternal life too just to eat on your burning flesh!
That is right it won't die either, it will eat at your burned flesh, your eye balls popping out from the heat then God will see that your flesh grows back for more pain and agony, and yes you will have life eternally in pain, and torment. Come quick and get your way out now, Jesus said I am the Way out of HELL and the TRUTH that there is a hell, and the LIFE in heaven that you can have if you just believe in me!
Do it now, before that fire gets stoked with your flesh, your body being cast into it.

I can tell you, what it looks like I was a Firefighter for years and a Medic, I went on a case where a murderous infidel, who was angry at his wife for refusing to love him, he cut their throats and burned them, he tied his wife up, cut her throat, and then his mother in laws, and then his father in laws, then he set the house on fire, and I was called to the scene, I know what burning flesh looks like and how the eye balls burst from the heat, and the stench of a burned body, but that is OK, he only demanded what God is demanding and he didn't get it either, the personal worship and servitude he demanded, so he did just what God is going to do to all you sinners out there!
Ah! there is nothing like the smell of burning flesh in the morning. 

Quick believe, save yourselves quickly, believe that Jesus died for your sins, to save you from this eternal torment, so you don't have to end up like this family did. Believe that God said, hey you deserve to be burned forever and ever, but I will just murder and kill my Son on a cross, and that will satisfy my WRATH and I am making it easy, I didn't make Him pay what you are going to pay if you don't believe tonight, he had the whole world's sins upon Him, but for your finite sins... I am going to torture you and torture you forever and ever!

AMEN – Run quick I am looking to see you down here in the next minute, Jesus is “tenderly” calling come and save yourself from the eternal torments of hell and damnation and torture forever and ever and ever and ever and ever.... and ever.... and …......(the organ plays, two songs, Just As I AM and Jesus is Tenderly Calling)
Lots of weeping, and crying going on.
Sister Mary she just smiles, because her brother died last week too, and he never said he believed.
She will be in heaven but her husband and brother that she really didn't love, because they wouldn't believe are rotting in stinking burning flesh, but that is OK, she is going to heaven! Me too! I made the right choice!
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(Sister Mary gets to spend eternity with the God of Vengeance and Hatred who "your" bible describes as "God is Wrath" which of course we know has to be right -seeing how it is according to the traditions of men and their famous Theologians that most believe in.)
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If those preachers that so believe in hell, and eternal torment, then why aren't they preaching this at every sermon to rescue those that may not know in their own congregations and cities and to everyone they meet?

They need to be on the street corners,every whore house, every bar, every homosexual gathering, every place that smokers stand puffing their cigarettes, etc. but perhaps not, maybe they will as in this sermon just be happy that "they believed."

If it was me, and I believed in this as the end of most men, I wouldn't be preaching those watered down, namby-pamby sermons,

I would want to rescue everyone I could from the pain, but of course that's me,

I just happen to love people, like God truly does, and I just happen to see a need to bring the love and life of Christ within me to them, so that the light of Jesus Christ within me, will expel the darkness of the CARNAL MIND and the old ADAMIC thinking that God hates humanity or ever did.
I love them all, for God so loved the world, that Jesus said I came not to condemn the world but to SAVE THE WORLD.
I love them so,they can see the true of God of glory and His Son Jesus Christ, and find the Holy Spirit will teach them and mature them and set them free from sin and death!
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If I was to believe that God was going to send everyone that never “believed" in Jesus, to hell THAT is how my sermon would sound.
If I believed that my belief saved me, then that is the sermon I would preach. 

I would quit all this namby-pamby preaching, and teaching and get SERIOUS with that to which you believe Christ came to, was to get people out of hell and into heaven.
 If I believed that "nonsense" I wouldn't waste my time with all those "inspirational, self help, positive, pull yourself up by your own bootstrap messages and all this Jesus loves you and the Father loves you business and get after business, unless, I like the idea that I am going to heaven, and so what if 55 million people will die this year alone and well over almost all of them will never hear they can get out of hell with a free ticket of just "believing" in a Jesus that died so they don't have to go there.
But then again since "your belief" saved you, I guess all that humanistic, positive self help, pull yourself up by your bootstraps sermons make sense, for the "faithful."  Since they too are all full of that "I" and "me" stuff.  Good sermons to lift man's hearts up as "gods".. since your belief gets you right up there with God as "a god." So, why waste your time trying to save them from hell, they already purchased their "fire insurance" and your just teaching them how to "grab all they gusto they can, since they only go around once in this life."  
So what if their flesh will be there to burn forever and ever and ever and EVER! Oh! I get it, no sinners ever show up at your church, just the righteous, so you don't preach what you believe when your among the "faithful".  You only speak that of those who don't believe as you do. Sure that makes sense, fry the rest, and keep the best for the best.
I would quit those namby-pamby funerals for those that I knew right off they weren't "saved".
I would start speaking the truth at those funerals and tell everyone straight out where old Uncle Joe is going to and where he is at.
I wouldn't waste a moment, they would hear the best sermon they ever came to hear and better yet, if they committed suicide, I would tell them that is the guarantee they are in hell. Remember the sin unto death, theology you preach or believe in?
Quit all that namby-pamby lying preaching preacher or "christian" and put your mouth where your so called faith is if you really believe what you say you believe.

That is what I would preach if I was one of those ETERNAL TORMENT THEOLOGIANS AND PREACHERS AND CHRISTIANS.

Well since all you good folks and preachers and theologians believe this,

WHY AREN'T YOU PREACHING LIKE I WOULD HERE for this is what you say it all means, and what you say the reason Jesus came, and you say, this is what he came to save us from, and that he paid the penalty for sin, but wait, alas, How come if he paid the penalty, why isn't He still there, undergoing this eternal torment so I don't have to?

Perhaps? Maybe perhaps, someone misunderstood, God must have been the one must have not known what He was going to do to sinners forever- since He forgot to tell Adam about it, and all the OLD TESTAMENT people about it, and wait, Paul forgot to include it in his letters, Jesus forgot to tell us this, while talking to the Pharisees about the coming destruction of Israel, which happened in 70 AD, and Gee whiz he only mentions a similar story like that preached here in a PARABLE that dealt with the turning of the tables on the Jews in favor of the Gentiles, and how they wouldn't know Him even if He was to rise from the dead. A parable that was impossible to be a true story, since Christ had not died yet, and no one could go to heaven.. how did  Lazarus get there?

Did God forget this important subject to make it clear throughout Scripture? A subject that all of "christendom" will fight to the teeth and call you names and a heretic because you don't believe in this "SATANIC" hell of evil thought and imagination.

Shouldn't the entire story tell us, and be clear without any doubt of this HELL you teach and believe in?

It is apparent, that God is not love but He is wrath? According to this HERESY of the church!

Since that is what you believe, quit telling everybody God is love, and then telling them God is wrath.
Which is He?
Sounds kind of schizophrenic to me, but isn't that what the Atheist say. "I get it, Jesus is the nice guy God, The Father is the not so nice guy God, and the Holy Spirit he is only there to help those who have believed, is that right?"

Well I am not sure what you are saying about Him, but if questioned isn't that the only answer you are offering?

I will assure you, that you who may serve under the lash of a Creator who wishes nothing more then to eternally torment most of humanity and hates the sinner and offers no other alternative to remove the sinners sin, then ETERNAL TORMENT, then your GOD is not the GOD OF ALL CREATION that loves HIS CREATION SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME, and that HE IS THE ETERNAL "ONE" who was in Christ Jesus, who came, lived and died, to reveal that GOD IS LOVE and that HE JESUS HAS DIED TO SAVE THE WORLD, and HE JESUS IS ALIVE working in and toward every man's heart preparing it, to love GOD and not to be a slave but a SON!

If you REALLY BELIEVE IN YOUR ETERNAL TORMENT then live like it, and preach like it or SHUT UP!

Quit lying to people and if you are going to lie to them at least preach a sermon like I did above and preach some good old fashion Jonathan Edward sermons, and scare them quick into an altar call and save some poor idiot from going to hell! Besides, your belt of self righteousness may not have enough notches on it yet, to give you something to brag about when you get to heaven...you have a long ways to go to catch up with Billy Graham!
You need a whole lot more missionaries too seeing how over half the world or more weren't born into a nation where they have ever heard the sermon- "BELIEVE IN JESUS OR GO TO HELL" - GOOD NEWS?

There will be millions born tomorrow where YOUR Gospel is never preached or even learned or talked about, you best get busy preacher and "christian", or your GOD is not going to send you to hell, being your such a saint and all, but boy! are you going to get a tongue lashing from your GOD when the time comes for JUDGMENT DAY! Who knows maybe He'll hold your feet over the BBQ just long enough to make you repent of your failure to preach the "Good News" ???
How could he let you get by with letting so many sheep get lost out there and end up in hell. But that is OK, I forget your GOD is a GOD OF WRATH and not of love.
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For a better perspective that is true SCRIPTURALLY and not based on the VAIN IMAGINATIONS OF THE CARNAL MIND, I recommend the following excellent reads.

http://bible-truths.com/23-minutes-in-hell.html

http://www.tentmaker.org/

and there are many more places that others have done a thorough Biblical examination of this theology, like myself, who see the true "GOOD NEWS OF JESUS CHRIST."

It's time, either preach what you believe, or shut up about it.
Time to seek the Father and the Son and start praying God show me truth, deliver my mind from tradition and Holy Spirit come and teach me as promised, that which lifts Jesus up and teaches me of Him and reveals my Father who John says, God is love.

If you want to know why Christ died for you and gave you forgiveness of sin, and just what it is HE DELIVERED YOU FROM AND CAN DELIVER YOU FROM NOW and WILL DELIVER
YOU FROM.

Then I recommend, you get busy trying to really discover what it means to be a Christian, and what Jesus really did at Calvary for ALL MEN!


I believe in the Eternal Reconciliation of ALL Mankind in Christ and through Him alone and forever more, what do you believe?

Hell? Eternal Torment? A parable preached as literalism? Perhaps it is time to study the Word of God, and show your own self approved. Rightly dividing the WORD OF GOD. and hear the voice of the LIVING WORD- Jesus Christ speak to your heart and mind.

Time to get off the pew, get out of the "Cemetaries" (Seminaries), put down all the presuppositions of what you have been taught and discover this wonderful deliverance from the power of death, the devil, the fear of death, and the enslavement to sin that Jesus died for you to give you come to know the "One true God- the GOD OF LOVE and HIS FORGIVENESS FOR ALL MANKIND through His only begotten Son Jesus Christ. Come to know him intimately,

Come to drink of His living water and eat of Him who is the true bread of heaven. It is time to throw out the stale bread and the poisoned waters of tradition and lies, and MEET JESUS THE VICTOR!
Which is what Jesus really did at Calvary. God was in Christ, reconciling the WORLD unto Himself, forgiving THEM THEIR TRESPASSES.

Doesn't sound like eternal torment is any forgiving to me, does it you?

Doesn't sound like Jesus prayer that He said His Father always heard Him and answered was answered does it, when He said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do? Who was the them?
Was it just the Romans, and the Pharisees, He asked forgiveness for or just who put or what put Him on the Cross, MANKIND? ADAM?
Learn more and find Hope for all man, instead of the garbage that tradition has put out there or if you aren't going to bother to SEEK TRUTH SO THAT HE CAN SET YOU FREE then for "goodness sake" at least preach your eternal torment and live like you say you believe.

Quit being a hypocrite!

Joseph Black

Friday, February 11, 2011

The Egyptian Revolution

What does this mean for Egypt. It means that clearly the people brought about the downfall of Mubarek, by an overall peaceful Revolution. Perhaps just over 10-15 years this could not have happened. Why? The reason is the Internet has made the world a smaller community, now at least, people can still get the truth out there as they see it, and not have it completely shut off to the world, by those who can subvert, and pervert the truth of what is going on in another country, though there are still many attempts by the powers to shut down the reality and keep us all living in their matrix of lies, of controlled media, the truth does come out. Regardless, how conservative Americans may think of Julian Assange, he is a great revolutionary, in that he dared to step out of the matrix of the controlled media, and controlled information that people are dished out normally into their lives everyday.
Truth be told, what revolutions may have incurred in our own country should all the truths have come out, that really go on behind closed doors in Washington, D.C.
Would those Revolutions brought about a better country then the economic oppression, and problems we are experiencing now because of the few elitist who hold power even now in our country? Probably not.
All governments, are fruit hanging off one tree, the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Each man's rule, each man's change of rule, is because there are always those who think they can do good out of their natural selves. This is in clear contradiction to history, and to Scripture. Man is "a god" in truth in this world, in the temporal and carnal lives of men. We know this to be true, that each of us live in a relationship where there are those whether in our immediate world, family, community, or State, there are always those who will hold power over someone else. Even those who seemed to be limited in power, the poor and destitute, yet hold some power over the lives of others, because of their position, their lack of, they influence, others by that very life they live. They can power over the emotions of others, and the natural (carnal) nature of men to do good.
This is the incredible truth, thus Jesus was not being heartless, when He said the poor will always be among you.
The rich of course, may hold greater power over our lives, even to the point of life and death of our temporal selves. They may rule over the very resources to which God gave all men, be it food, water, clothing, and shelter, but as Jesus said, Don't be afraid of those who can only cast your body into the grave (hadys).
Mankind is forever seeking to be "a god", when it is clear in temporal things, he may make "god like" decisions by powering over others in one sense or another.
The fact be told though, there is no other God, in that all that transpires in history, whether it be your history, or the history of others, or nations or kingdoms, are NOT outside of the counsel, the purpose or the will of God.
Man's being "a god" is only illusion, a non-reality, that he creates for himself with a carnal mind. He fails to see outside of himself, the Spiritual, that the CREATOR is in every decision you and I will ever make, or ever do. This is hard for the carnal mind to grasp, simply because to believe so, removes the illusion of their being a "god."
Men holds onto the idea of human will, as his own god, thinking that all his actions, decisions, words and deeds, he has accomplished or performed are some right he believes he has innately to be absolutely independent of the Creator.
This is his the illusion that the serpent brought, "you shall be like god."
Thus man, was exposed to who he really is, but at the same time that knowing, closed his mind and heart to the reality of the God who is love.
From the very beginning to the story of Jesus and each man's story today, he fails to see, that which is the TRUTH. Jesus Christ. They fail to see the real story, they still are living in an illusion of the flesh. They have re-designed the Good News to Bad News, so that they themselves may yet divide themselves over other men, to maintain their "godhood.", to remain "a god", to set themselves apart from the race of humanity, that Paul makes very clear, is and was in the same boat, and that boat was sinking and sunk. that God in his power, among all the decisions men were making, thinking that he actually was exercising human will, God the Creator, was putting men in bondage to the self, the ego, the I am "a god." The illusion of Adam, that He from the very beginning the Almighty Creator of heaven and earth had a plan, and that His plan has never been subverted by His creature man, or devil.
We see this celebration of man's supposed will in revolution, we see this in the face of the protesters, we see this whenever men, think by their power, they have changed the course of their own history to what they believe is their own making. They celebrate in Egypt now, but that is only for the moment, they believed by exercising their god like status they have accomplished their freedom. History will prove that is not so.
History and the very facts of the United States prove that we are not truly free.
There will always be those that men will place their worship in, who are no greater then they are, but they will yet believe and trust that some "mortal" like themselves, will help them achieve their immortality. Israel did it time after time, and so hasn't every nation or power throughout history but where are these kingdoms now, where are their kings? Are not all these powers now lying in the dust of history past.
Egypt of the past, Israel of the past, Rome of the past, Greece of the past, all are washed away by the sands of time. Their attempts to obtain immortality ended up in mortality. They are non-existent, they no longer are among us, their vestige of memory may be there, their influence upon the thoughts and actions of men in the future may be there, but where is their reality, it is gone with the winds of time. America someday, will be the same. It is already becoming so, and has become so, the very foundations of what it was built upon, have already descended into the "grave", for we see, the ideals of the forefathers, the early history of this nation and it's purposes to establish a freedom to mankind never known by the world, is a mere illusion as well.
There are those who blindly hold onto the illusion, but they too will disappear into the dust blown in the wind.
Revolution, true revolution, is what Christ brought to us as men, Christ reveals the spiritual reality of man, He reveals the reality of reality, and exposes the vain imaginations, desires and lies of men. Yet, men has buried that in two thousand years of tradition and lies, and created only a new illusion that hides the TRUTH. One to know this truth, must go and sell all he has and give it to the poor, and come follow Him. But do you see the road following Him will lead to?
Do realize that before the resurrection their must be a death, to your ego, death to your human will, death to your very self. Take up your cross and follow me, Jesus says, but no man wants to take up his Cadillac and say I have arrived!
I am not trying here to draw up some false picture of it is more holy to be physically poor, no Jesus spoke of a poverty of spirit that brings blessing.
This poverty in order to gain, his riches, must come to rich man and poor man alike. It is an equalizer, it is a leveler, it brings us first to know all of our condition as man, ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Which means DEATH! but then the story of Jesus says, where sin abounded through the one man Adam, grace abounded more through Jesus Christ.
It is that in the one man Adam all died, and in Christ all shall live.
But how shall you ever arrive at the truth of that, unless YOU DIE!
Immediately many of you, will fail to even grasp the word DIE, your thoughts are turned to that of carnality rather then spirituality, you immediately think of a funeral, a dead man in a casket, your end. You immediately think like Martha did, "I know Lord he will be raised in the resurrection of the last day."
Let us be reminded of Jesus reply.
You immediately because of all the tradition your brain and ego self has been built upon like Thomas you have heard Jesus speak of life and death time after time, and like Thomas you say, let us go and die with him.
No, this death, that Jesus would reveal, was not just His going to the Cross, it was the life He lives, the words He breathed, the actions He took, it was all a realized, death to human will and He makes that clear in John 5:19
"Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner."
Do you actually believe you can do anything outside of His will, or receive anything outside of His will.
John understood where all that you have and are comes from:
John 3:27
John answered and said, " A man can receive nothing unless it has been given him from heaven.
Are you really ready to incur spiritual poverty and lay down your mantel of desiring to be "a god" thinking you are "a god."
Are you ready to die to the illusive self, for the reality of God. Are you ready to die to the illusive traditions, and lies you have believed all your life about yourself and the Creator? Are you ready to see Jesus for He really is, who is the LAST ADAM.
Is your heart prepared to know the one true God, and His son whom He has sent?
Are you really ready for REVOLUTION?
Then I declare to you, it doesn't begin by overthrowing governments, it begins by overthrowing the government of your own heart and thoughts, and recieving the KINGDOM OF GOD which has been freely given to you. The Kingdom of God is within you, are you yet wasting time, looking for the kingdom out there, when He is present? Are you looking for that outside of yourself, that has been graciously placed within yourself?
I desire Revolution everyday in my life, and that revolution is, has and will continue to take place in my heart and thoughts as He brings down those kingdoms of the illusion of self, and just who I am as man, and I bow to His truth, the only truth, who said, I am the way, the truth and the life! Do you desire to know the way, do you desire to know the truth and do you desire to have life, here and now?
Then look to the Truth! He is standing right there in your face, you can find Him, if you will but let go of the illusion, and your heart cry out as loudly and in unison as the tulmutously as the throngs of voices who have so placed there trust in a false revolution.
 I want REVOLUTION, give me REAL REVOLUTION, and perhaps you will find the Mubarek of your heart will step down from his throne, your ego, your old illusive Adamic self, and Jesus the Last Adam will take His rightful throne of glory in your life. If you will, there is righteousness, peace and joy, that for which we all seek to know, and that these Egyptians really desire, but they like most have sought it by the hands of their own and the hands of another man, will they recieve righteousness, joy and peace.
No, their personal worlds will remain in the same turmoil as always, and along with it will come despair.
But wait God has a better plan for the human race, it has been revealed, is being revealed and shall be alas revealed in the grand consummation of all things that are reconciled in Christ to the glory of the Father.
We will then see Him as He is. Redeemer of the human race.