Do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?"

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I have heard from several voices this morning people who say they are Christians expressing judgment and hatred toward the "Muslims and Fags" marching in the streets as seen in this video.
Saying horrendous things about them and toward them.

If they really only knew what they were saying they would HOLD their tongue of fire.

Let us see what Jesus says about this in Luke 9:51-56

⁵¹When the days were approaching for His ascension, He was determined to go to Jerusalem;
 ⁵²and He sent messengers on ahead of Him, and they went and entered a village of the Samaritans to make arrangements for Him.
 ⁵³But they did not receive Him, because He was traveling toward Jerusalem.
 ⁵⁴When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, "Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?"
 ⁵⁵But He turned and rebuked them, [and said, "You do not know what kind of spirit you are of;
 ⁵⁶for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.

I do not justify their actions or lifestyle, but shall such condemnation come from us who are NO JUDGES but who have been or are being judged.
For whence did we come... were any of us without sin?

Oh! I get it my sin is comparative.
You know like man's law, or the Old Covenant.

Well man's law changes from day to day according to the flesh, and God's law is an administration to death for ALL OF US.. thus Jesus went to the cross to redeem us from the law.

To what do you compare your sin or righteousness to?
To man's concept of good and evil, or the holiness of God?
If it is the holiness of God, then this stands true.
Romans 3:10
as it is written," THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;

Judgment begins with the household of God,

Truth is truth.

Christ died for us while WE WERE YET SINNERS - while we were YET HIS ENEMIES - not after we got saved.

It is because of Him we are saved, being saved and will be saved not because we do good, or follow Him, or any of that,

The heart must be changed by the inner presence of Christ taking His rightful throne in our hearts, taking down the temple of the flesh, casting the false prophet, the Beast, the anti-Christ out into the outer darkness, it is not that which goes into a man, that defiles him but that which comes out!
Thus Jesus could say to the demons, COME OUT!

Look inside your heart, who is there:?
Who reigns 24 and 7?

Is it the Son of God, or the BEAST, the Adam man?

 19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

The temple of the flesh must come to crucifixion, before we can know and experience resurrection life, and then have the Son take His rightful throne of our hearts.
The law is there as an administration of death. Thou shall not..but you did and I did anyway.

So thus sin becomes exceedingly sinful and destroys us, these people are in destruction under the wrath of God for the moment, their flesh will bring them to death, so that Christ can raise them up, give them new life in the Spirit. 

They must come to know as we all need to come to know, that  the FLESH PROFITS NOTHING...

It is the Spirit that gives us  life.

God WILL move  into every man's life -  He will take all that flesh and do as Paul said to the Corinthians:
1 Corinthians 5:5
I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

But note Paul did not speak of eternal torment, damnation, though this young men was in grievous sin.
He said for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

Note: Paul did not appeal to the authorities of this world to do this, or men's law to take care of the problem as the ekklesia has so been blinded to do, but He said for the Ekklesia to do this, those in the assembly of the "called out one's of God".
Jesus said whatever YOU SHALL BIND ON EARTH SHALL BE BOUND IN HEAVEN.

I hear Christians say all the time about this person or that person.

"They need to go to jail forever or need capital punishment or we need to send the powers to kill them, drop bombs on them and all such foolishness  which is of the flesh of men."

But He turned and rebuked them, [and said, "You do not know what kind of spirit you are of;  ⁵⁶for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.


Paul told the Corinthians even in simple matters this:

 1 Does any one of you, when he has a case against his neighbor, dare to go to law before the unrighteous and not before the saints?
 2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts?
 3Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?
 4So if you have law courts dealing with matters of this life, do you appoint them as judges who are of no account in the church?
 5I say this to your shame Is it so, that there is not among you one wise man who will be able to decide between his brethren,
 6 but brother goes to law with brother, and that before unbelievers?
 7Actually, then, it is already a defeat for you, that you have lawsuits with one another. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be defrauded?

8 On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren.

Note even though he spoke to those who seemed were already suppose to be saints.

YOU DO THIS EVEN TO YOUR BRETHERN!

What brethren?
He goes onto say this:
 9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

and here is the final blow that brings this into context who all our brethren are:

11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

The very one's to which he spoke of in verses 9 and 10.

Yes, you see, we have brethren both who are saints and sinners, and since, those who are still children of disobedience which if we are walking with Him now, we are now children of obedience, sons of God, but it never changes our relationship to that which Christ has brought us from and where we are now. We are all children just the same.
Though some are Son now and some are not, but it is the faith of Christ to which we have been graced, that not of our own. It's all grace.

God is revealing here, what his wrath is upon the unrighteous, they are a in a state where they know not the Kingdom of God, and we His people often bind and loose, but it is always God's work though. We were all bound in sin it is He that loosed us from it's power but it's been given to us, to loose others from it's sting, death in this life, by prayer and intercession for our brethren that are yet may still be, children of disobedience. How are we to do this? 
By Forgiveness that to which we received and love that to which we received, we didn't get it by our own efforts it has BEEN GIVEN TO US AND ALL MEN - JUST ALL MEN DO NOT KNOW IT YET and HOW SHALL THEY KNOW UNLESS SOMEONE IS SENT. 

Forgiveness and love-  not by calling down fire upon them!

We present the Gospel the GOOD NEWS OF JESUS CHRIST not so much by what we say we believe but by how we treat others, both children of disobedience and children of obedience, Israel of the Spirit,  Israel of the Flesh.


In this case of the young man caught in sin, Paul is about to demonstrate the very truth of God. We His people should follow Paul's example, we are not to use the world's authority to correct our brethren any of them children of disobedience or those who were in obedience for a time.
The world will take care of it's own but we are not of the world, we are only in it.

We are to see what Paul is demonstrating here is how God works upon ALL HIS CHILDREN, not a form of doctrine of church practice but of spiritual realities.

Remember Paul is giving a carnal people spiritual lessons here less we become confused by it, and begin a whole new age of inquisition and torture..
but wait isn't that exactly why so many "christians" support the ideas of capital punishment, war, hatred, racism, etc.?
 
Those that are in disobedience right now, are not experiencing, enjoying living in the presence of God's love for we know that, for the Kingdom of God is not a place but a state of being, whereby it is righteousness, joy and peace in the Holy Spirit.
Their due punishment is upon them even now, they are under the wrath of God. They are only looking for a fleshly way out and none shall be found, they are as Sodom and Gomorrah was, they want others to join them in their flesh so that they might justify their flesh, but God will justify no man's flesh, but crucify it! 

God delivers such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

There is no such thing as a carnal Son, there are carnal children,(children of disobedience) the church has mislabeled these even in their churches as carnal Christians.
As if they were Sons but living like the devil... SORRY NO SUCH THING
they are are sons but only adopted sons because the Father's  love for all of us expressed in Christ for all men, in His reconciling all of us to God.
Forgiving us all our trespasses.

ALL MEN HAVE BEEN RECONCILED TO GOD AND FORGIVEN THEIR  SIN AND THE LAW IS REMOVED AS A CURSE UPON US...but not ALL HAVE YET BEEN CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF HIS SEED - HIS SON~ Jesus Christ.

The promise was to the Seed, not the seeds, there are millions of seeds but without the SEED we are just seeds. God implanted the SEED within us ALL.
Though still His creation, still loved by Him. He will not lose one of us seeds because of the SEED!
Gods Will is for us ALL TO BE CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF HIS SON and not just being any child, adopted children, but A SON OF GOD by His blood and union of LIFE!

Thus His seed is implanted in our hearts as the incorruptible SEED so that SEED can grow up into the very tree of  Life within us to HIS GLORY.
God did this when He poured out His Spirit upon ALL FLESH.
Done deal-. God came to dwell with men.
We can no more activate that germination  of ourselves-our seed to become like the SEED then we can by our own will power have THE SEED put in their in the first place.

Unless God do the watering, by the washing of the WATER OF THE LIVING WORD our seed is there, and His SEED, but until God germinates HIS SEED, then we remain seeds, that may be yet in rocky ground, or often the flesh (the power of death- the diabolos,the devil) steals it for awhile, the cares and the riches don't allow it to grow,so the Father has to turn the soil, remove the rocks, take out the other cares, cast off the evil,  and the good SEED Jesus Christ inside will germinate and it IS THE FATHER THAT  REPLACES THE SOIL AS WELL by removing the flesh from us, AND  IN DUE TIME, and THEN HE THAT IS THE GOOD SEED WILL GERMINATE and the other seeds will be like seeds of the SEED.
The soil is all that old flesh and nothing more, God has to remove that soil so that HIS SEED THAT HE HAS PUT INSIDE OF EVERY MAN may come forth and produce.
this is the man who hears the word and understands it; who indeed bears fruit and brings forth, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty."


Matthew 13:37
And He said, "The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man,

1. Romans 1:18
   For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

The unrighteousness of men unless God intervenes by grace in our own lives will continue to even manifest itself eventually  into the depth of the sin of homosexuality.  The wrath of God is upon them, they know it not yet, but when AIDS or illness or mental illness results because of it, the temporal work of the adversary.. look at Job, the only instance in which Satan actually does something to Job, the rest of it, was all the natural evils that came on the outside of Job's life, loss of family, home, goods, slaves, etc.THE BOILS CAME OF DIRECT CONTACT FROM THE ADVERSARY....for what purpose to destroy the flesh.

See my blog: http://joeblackblogs.blogspot.com/2011/01/evil-spirits-in-old-testament-and-satan.html

Was this young man in Corinthians to be in that place forever of destruction of course not! Eternal Torment?
Of course not. He was yet a child of disobedience, a child all the same because of creation and God seeing him through His eyes, not the eyes of men. Judging according to the flesh!

Paul makes it very clear that his being turned over to destruction has purpose, will and God's counsel in it.
Some must go through this all the way to physical death until the day of the Lord comes for them as well in God's eternity, God's time, not ours or for some it comes in their lifetime, regardless they will repent, either in this life or the life to come when the day of the Lord comes to them. 
The carnal man looks to the future in carnal things for that which is called the day of the LORD.  You must see it's spiritual relevance and meaning which goes way beyond those ideas of men's imaginations.

Jesus comes (appears)  as HE did for this young man before he died, we read in 2 Corinthians this:

5 But if any has caused sorrow, he has caused sorrow not to me, but in some degree--in order not to say too much--to all of you.

 6 Sufficient for such a one is this punishment which was inflicted by the majority,

 7 so that on the contrary you should rather forgive and comfort him, otherwise such a one might be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow.

 8 Wherefore I urge you to reaffirm your love for him.

 9 For to this end also I wrote, so that I might put you to the test, whether you are obedient in all things.

 10 But one whom you forgive anything, I forgive also; for indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, I did it for your sakes in the presence of Christ,

 11 so that no advantage would be taken of us by Satan, for we are not ignorant of his schemes.

See God puts ALL MEN of FLESH TO THE FIRE of  the ADVERSARY, over to that which will oppose the very flesh of men... The serpent would eat dust for now on - men, flesh man is mere dust -thus all men die, physically, and aging is nothing more then disease, sickness that which is our due punishment, but not our due state of eternal presence for it is God that brings us immortality in due time.
All of us must endure a time in the wilderness, either here or over there, the temporal punishment of the flesh, but the sin nature which would condemn us all to that eternal state of death was dealt by the work of God in Christ at Calvary. Christ delivers us into the promised land, for you see HE IS THAT PROMISED LAND!


The Spirit of life is that which God breathed into all of us, that He may show His forgiveness and bring restoration, and thus we then praise Him, love Him because we find this to be true.

Who among you is without sin? Let him cast the first stone.

1 John 4:19
We love, because He first loved us.

It is when God has brought you through the fires of his love, through the destruction of the flesh, where you cry out to Him, then the Word of God says this will transpire, there my friend is repentance!

Romans 10:13
for " WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

and see this,please may your eyes be opened by the Almighty One, and your ears to hear,  it is important everything I am writing here is spiritual truth the carnal mind cannot grasp it, understand it.You may even now object to it. The carnal mind cannot receive that which is spiritual, it can't comprehend it, even a little.

God has to open your eyes and ears.

# Romans 9:25
As He says also in Hosea," I WILL CALL THOSE WHO WERE NOT MY PEOPLE, 'MY PEOPLE,'AND HER WHO WAS NOT BELOVED, 'BELOVED.'"

# Romans 9:26
" AND IT SHALL BE THAT IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID TO THEM, 'YOU ARE NOT MY PEOPLE,'THERE THEY SHALL BE CALLED SONS OF THE LIVING GOD."

Go in peace, yet knowing our story is Jesus story and if not I promise it will become thus.

Joseph Black