You Believe in Eternal Torment, then PREACH IT!

My Famous Sermon on Hell Fire.
 
You can use it if you like it if you think it might save one person from this "torment" eternally.

The Sermon Begins.. walk slowly to the platform, Bible under your arm, slamming it unto the podium to wake up all those awful persistent evil and wicked sinners who CHOOSE to live in sin..

"Today, I am so glad you are here. For I have come to tell you one thing and one thing only, unless you leave here tonight without a decision to believe in Jesus, you are going straight to hell and there your body will be in hot flaming fire to be tortured forever, and ever and ever more.
Have you ever burned yourself before?
Have you felt that pain, that instant agony and sought relief from your pain?
Did it bring tears to your eyes?
You sought relief didn't you?
Well I am sorry to say, that if you don't believe in Jesus God's only Son, this night, that you are going to feel pain and agony of that burn, not just on a finger or your hand, but your entire living body for the rest of eternity. The stench of flesh burning and the agony of that pain, will go on forever, and worst yet, your sister or your brother, or your mother or your own children (if faith is what saves you, too bad they can't believe like the rest of us, huh? So there is only one place for them too go as well as all those other people of different religions and denominations who never even had a chance- never heard and knew about Jesus to even believe!), even your wife, may be there in hell as well.
You can have the assurance of going to heaven looking down at them and you will not be able to go to them, and give them some water to cool the pain, you won't be able to doctor their burns, because see GOD is going to make sure their flesh doesn't cook away. He is going to give them eternal life too, so they can burn forever!
But if YOU don't "believe" tonight like I did- He is going to have His way with you forever and ever and ever and ever for every finite sin you ever committed, your crying and gnashing of teeth will do you no good, He will only pour more fuel upon the brimstone, and He will be satisfied to see your pain and agony, He and the others in heaven, will be joyful to see you burn, because it will remind them, they believed, and that is why they are where they are at and you aren't. You get what you chose SINNER, so you better choose right now!
HELL OR HEAVEN, only you can save yourself right now, with the right decision, the good decision.
Quit your EVIL!
Those in heaven will be proud with their decision for Christ, they with God will take joy in your everlasting torment, they will sing and dance around the fire and at last say JUSTICE to you SINNERS. They will say at last the wicked are getting the eternal whack they deserve. At last there is no evil, God has thrown in His hell, my mother, my brother, my baby, and the Hindu down the street into ETERNAL TORMENT, they deserved it, they wouldn't believe!
We are so glad that WE chose Jesus, and don't have to be tortured forever and ever and ever like they do!
We weren't stupid we got ourselves out of that, all you had to do was just simply repent and believe.

I tell you those of you sitting there, right now, thinking, that's alright I have tomorrow or next Sunday to come down, but oh! No! Don't think that God will grant you another breath to breathe, you better get down to this altar right now, you better fall on your knees before GOD who is just waiting to deliver His eternal torments upon you because you fail to quit sinning and come to Jesus!
I can smell the stench of your flesh now, I can hear your voice now, crying to me to give you a drop of water.
But wait, I hear the cries of most of humanity, I hear the Buddhist, I hear the Hindu, I hear the Jewish, I hear the Confucianist, I hear the Muslim, I hear the cries of ever man ever born before Christ came to go to the cross, trillions upon trillions of people in the Old Testament, trillion upon trillion since Christ died to deliver us from hell that you refused to believe in.
I hear the cries of those who refuse to come to church, I hear the cries of drunks, the drug addicts and the homosexuals, the prostitutes, I hear their cries for help, I smell the stench of their flesh, and watch as the flames rise higher and higher as they get what they deserve, they chose to sin, but oh not me, see I believe in Jesus, so I got me some salvation quick.
I saw that hell, that God was going to send me to, if I didn't “believe” in Jesus, so I got my ticket to heaven quick, I got my self together as quickly as I could and I said the sinners prayer, got myself into church, cleaned up my own life, all because you see I believe in hell, and damnation and eternal torture, and I believe God DEMANDS my belief,
You bet, I believed that He Jesus died for me, so I am safe now.
Do you want that safety and security from being cast into eternal torment, where Satan will be, to make it all the worse, to stab you with his pitch fork, and stoke the fires of hell, damnation and eternal torture, is that where you want to be?
Then if not, you best start feeling the agony, the pain here and now in your mind, and hurry run to this altar and repent of all your sins, tell God what a lousy worm you are, how you are no good, and just a lousy no good for nothing sinner, and you don't want Him mad at you any longer, you see what He does with those He is angry with, He will see that you get what is coming to you, and it isn't going to be as short as the pleasure of your sin was, for those finite sins, He will see that your body and flesh is tortured forever and ever and ever. Along with all the children who didn’t believe, all those that never heard the Good News!

The Good News, is Jesus bought you some time, he bought you a way out from getting this punishment that you so well deserve, he gave you a chance to get out of hell for free if YOU just will believe that brother, and accept him as the One who paid off the angry and vengeful God by taking your punishment.

I hear those screams of agony now, but for me, I don't mind, I don't care, you see they deserve that what they are going to get, they refused to "believe."

But wait, I do care enough to tell you about it, so get down here tonight.

"Today is the day of salvation!"

I smell the stench of their flesh, and I hear the Devil laughing with glee for he has WON most of all of humanity.

That's right most all of humanity because brother many are called but only a few chosen, has God chosen you for hell or heaven, it's up to YOU to decide, here and now, whether you want to live in heaven and watch the others fry, or do you want to be one of the human french fries? (this one always gets a laugh, comedic relief is good for those who saved themselves and believed already)

Make up your mind for today is the day of salvation from this eternal torment that GOD will be sure to see you get if you walk away tonight without telling him you are sorry for your being a no good sinner, and you are going to do it right for now on, you aren't going to cuss, anymore, you are not going to fornicate anymore, you are not going to drink anymore, you can't because your going to be too busy doing good things, like going to church, reading your Bible and praying.
(This is good, gives them time to do it during the week just before Sunday service) Besides, it is belief that saves them, right?

You aren't going to keep your money anymore for you, your going to give 10% or more whatever is necessary to prove you BELIEVE  You are going to give it to this church for now on. {Collection will be taken immediately at the end of this service.} Coffers are full after a good night of hell fire preaching, I promise.

You better come now, the invitation is open, or this eternal torment might begin for you in the next minute, I know a guy who was sitting there just like you, I know he wasn't saved, never saw him come here but that one night, his wife had come for years, I preached this same sermon, he dropped over dead before he could even hear the rest of my sermon, and sorry to say, Sister Mary, and you know this, he is right now frying and screaming in agony, right this very moment, he is forever and ever in torture with no chance of relief, Mary knows it, but she warned Him and now she can hear his cries for help and smell the stench of his flesh, but she is OK with that, and proud, she believed, he didn't so he is only getting what he deserves and chose.

Today is the day for salvation from HELL, get down here quick like I did, repent, quit doing all that sinning get here to church on time, start reading that Bible, so you can see and read into it how God destroys and punishes forever and ever and ever those who refuse to “ believe”.
Now is the time, save your flesh, run down here, before the fire is stoked with one more of the trillions that have died and been cast in to those eternal fires, where the worm dieth not. The worms get eternal life too just to eat on your burning flesh!
That is right it won't die either, it will eat at your burned flesh, your eye balls popping out from the heat then God will see that your flesh grows back for more pain and agony, and yes you will have life eternally in pain, and torment. Come quick and get your way out now, Jesus said I am the Way out of HELL and the TRUTH that there is a hell, and the LIFE in heaven that you can have if you just believe in me!
Do it now, before that fire gets stoked with your flesh, your body being cast into it.

I can tell you, what it looks like I was a Firefighter for years and a Medic, I went on a case where a murderous infidel, who was angry at his wife for refusing to love him, he cut their throats and burned them, he tied his wife up, cut her throat, and then his mother in laws, and then his father in laws, then he set the house on fire, and I was called to the scene, I know what burning flesh looks like and how the eye balls burst from the heat, and the stench of a burned body, but that is OK, he only demanded what God is demanding and he didn't get it either, the personal worship and servitude he demanded, so he did just what God is going to do to all you sinners out there!
Ah! there is nothing like the smell of burning flesh in the morning. 

Quick believe, save yourselves quickly, believe that Jesus died for your sins, to save you from this eternal torment, so you don't have to end up like this family did. Believe that God said, hey you deserve to be burned forever and ever, but I will just murder and kill my Son on a cross, and that will satisfy my WRATH and I am making it easy, I didn't make Him pay what you are going to pay if you don't believe tonight, he had the whole world's sins upon Him, but for your finite sins... I am going to torture you and torture you forever and ever!

AMEN – Run quick I am looking to see you down here in the next minute, Jesus is “tenderly” calling come and save yourself from the eternal torments of hell and damnation and torture forever and ever and ever and ever and ever.... and ever.... and …......(the organ plays, two songs, Just As I AM and Jesus is Tenderly Calling)
Lots of weeping, and crying going on.
Sister Mary she just smiles, because her brother died last week too, and he never said he believed.
She will be in heaven but her husband and brother that she really didn't love, because they wouldn't believe are rotting in stinking burning flesh, but that is OK, she is going to heaven! Me too! I made the right choice!
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(Sister Mary gets to spend eternity with the God of Vengeance and Hatred who "your" bible describes as "God is Wrath" which of course we know has to be right -seeing how it is according to the traditions of men and their famous Theologians that most believe in.)
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If those preachers that so believe in hell, and eternal torment, then why aren't they preaching this at every sermon to rescue those that may not know in their own congregations and cities and to everyone they meet?

They need to be on the street corners,every whore house, every bar, every homosexual gathering, every place that smokers stand puffing their cigarettes, etc. but perhaps not, maybe they will as in this sermon just be happy that "they believed."

If it was me, and I believed in this as the end of most men, I wouldn't be preaching those watered down, namby-pamby sermons,

I would want to rescue everyone I could from the pain, but of course that's me,

I just happen to love people, like God truly does, and I just happen to see a need to bring the love and life of Christ within me to them, so that the light of Jesus Christ within me, will expel the darkness of the CARNAL MIND and the old ADAMIC thinking that God hates humanity or ever did.
I love them all, for God so loved the world, that Jesus said I came not to condemn the world but to SAVE THE WORLD.
I love them so,they can see the true of God of glory and His Son Jesus Christ, and find the Holy Spirit will teach them and mature them and set them free from sin and death!
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If I was to believe that God was going to send everyone that never “believed" in Jesus, to hell THAT is how my sermon would sound.
If I believed that my belief saved me, then that is the sermon I would preach. 

I would quit all this namby-pamby preaching, and teaching and get SERIOUS with that to which you believe Christ came to, was to get people out of hell and into heaven.
 If I believed that "nonsense" I wouldn't waste my time with all those "inspirational, self help, positive, pull yourself up by your own bootstrap messages and all this Jesus loves you and the Father loves you business and get after business, unless, I like the idea that I am going to heaven, and so what if 55 million people will die this year alone and well over almost all of them will never hear they can get out of hell with a free ticket of just "believing" in a Jesus that died so they don't have to go there.
But then again since "your belief" saved you, I guess all that humanistic, positive self help, pull yourself up by your bootstraps sermons make sense, for the "faithful."  Since they too are all full of that "I" and "me" stuff.  Good sermons to lift man's hearts up as "gods".. since your belief gets you right up there with God as "a god." So, why waste your time trying to save them from hell, they already purchased their "fire insurance" and your just teaching them how to "grab all they gusto they can, since they only go around once in this life."  
So what if their flesh will be there to burn forever and ever and ever and EVER! Oh! I get it, no sinners ever show up at your church, just the righteous, so you don't preach what you believe when your among the "faithful".  You only speak that of those who don't believe as you do. Sure that makes sense, fry the rest, and keep the best for the best.
I would quit those namby-pamby funerals for those that I knew right off they weren't "saved".
I would start speaking the truth at those funerals and tell everyone straight out where old Uncle Joe is going to and where he is at.
I wouldn't waste a moment, they would hear the best sermon they ever came to hear and better yet, if they committed suicide, I would tell them that is the guarantee they are in hell. Remember the sin unto death, theology you preach or believe in?
Quit all that namby-pamby lying preaching preacher or "christian" and put your mouth where your so called faith is if you really believe what you say you believe.

That is what I would preach if I was one of those ETERNAL TORMENT THEOLOGIANS AND PREACHERS AND CHRISTIANS.

Well since all you good folks and preachers and theologians believe this,

WHY AREN'T YOU PREACHING LIKE I WOULD HERE for this is what you say it all means, and what you say the reason Jesus came, and you say, this is what he came to save us from, and that he paid the penalty for sin, but wait, alas, How come if he paid the penalty, why isn't He still there, undergoing this eternal torment so I don't have to?

Perhaps? Maybe perhaps, someone misunderstood, God must have been the one must have not known what He was going to do to sinners forever- since He forgot to tell Adam about it, and all the OLD TESTAMENT people about it, and wait, Paul forgot to include it in his letters, Jesus forgot to tell us this, while talking to the Pharisees about the coming destruction of Israel, which happened in 70 AD, and Gee whiz he only mentions a similar story like that preached here in a PARABLE that dealt with the turning of the tables on the Jews in favor of the Gentiles, and how they wouldn't know Him even if He was to rise from the dead. A parable that was impossible to be a true story, since Christ had not died yet, and no one could go to heaven.. how did  Lazarus get there?

Did God forget this important subject to make it clear throughout Scripture? A subject that all of "christendom" will fight to the teeth and call you names and a heretic because you don't believe in this "SATANIC" hell of evil thought and imagination.

Shouldn't the entire story tell us, and be clear without any doubt of this HELL you teach and believe in?

It is apparent, that God is not love but He is wrath? According to this HERESY of the church!

Since that is what you believe, quit telling everybody God is love, and then telling them God is wrath.
Which is He?
Sounds kind of schizophrenic to me, but isn't that what the Atheist say. "I get it, Jesus is the nice guy God, The Father is the not so nice guy God, and the Holy Spirit he is only there to help those who have believed, is that right?"

Well I am not sure what you are saying about Him, but if questioned isn't that the only answer you are offering?

I will assure you, that you who may serve under the lash of a Creator who wishes nothing more then to eternally torment most of humanity and hates the sinner and offers no other alternative to remove the sinners sin, then ETERNAL TORMENT, then your GOD is not the GOD OF ALL CREATION that loves HIS CREATION SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME, and that HE IS THE ETERNAL "ONE" who was in Christ Jesus, who came, lived and died, to reveal that GOD IS LOVE and that HE JESUS HAS DIED TO SAVE THE WORLD, and HE JESUS IS ALIVE working in and toward every man's heart preparing it, to love GOD and not to be a slave but a SON!

If you REALLY BELIEVE IN YOUR ETERNAL TORMENT then live like it, and preach like it or SHUT UP!

Quit lying to people and if you are going to lie to them at least preach a sermon like I did above and preach some good old fashion Jonathan Edward sermons, and scare them quick into an altar call and save some poor idiot from going to hell! Besides, your belt of self righteousness may not have enough notches on it yet, to give you something to brag about when you get to heaven...you have a long ways to go to catch up with Billy Graham!
You need a whole lot more missionaries too seeing how over half the world or more weren't born into a nation where they have ever heard the sermon- "BELIEVE IN JESUS OR GO TO HELL" - GOOD NEWS?

There will be millions born tomorrow where YOUR Gospel is never preached or even learned or talked about, you best get busy preacher and "christian", or your GOD is not going to send you to hell, being your such a saint and all, but boy! are you going to get a tongue lashing from your GOD when the time comes for JUDGMENT DAY! Who knows maybe He'll hold your feet over the BBQ just long enough to make you repent of your failure to preach the "Good News" ???
How could he let you get by with letting so many sheep get lost out there and end up in hell. But that is OK, I forget your GOD is a GOD OF WRATH and not of love.
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For a better perspective that is true SCRIPTURALLY and not based on the VAIN IMAGINATIONS OF THE CARNAL MIND, I recommend the following excellent reads.

http://bible-truths.com/23-minutes-in-hell.html

http://www.tentmaker.org/

and there are many more places that others have done a thorough Biblical examination of this theology, like myself, who see the true "GOOD NEWS OF JESUS CHRIST."

It's time, either preach what you believe, or shut up about it.
Time to seek the Father and the Son and start praying God show me truth, deliver my mind from tradition and Holy Spirit come and teach me as promised, that which lifts Jesus up and teaches me of Him and reveals my Father who John says, God is love.

If you want to know why Christ died for you and gave you forgiveness of sin, and just what it is HE DELIVERED YOU FROM AND CAN DELIVER YOU FROM NOW and WILL DELIVER
YOU FROM.

Then I recommend, you get busy trying to really discover what it means to be a Christian, and what Jesus really did at Calvary for ALL MEN!


I believe in the Eternal Reconciliation of ALL Mankind in Christ and through Him alone and forever more, what do you believe?

Hell? Eternal Torment? A parable preached as literalism? Perhaps it is time to study the Word of God, and show your own self approved. Rightly dividing the WORD OF GOD. and hear the voice of the LIVING WORD- Jesus Christ speak to your heart and mind.

Time to get off the pew, get out of the "Cemetaries" (Seminaries), put down all the presuppositions of what you have been taught and discover this wonderful deliverance from the power of death, the devil, the fear of death, and the enslavement to sin that Jesus died for you to give you come to know the "One true God- the GOD OF LOVE and HIS FORGIVENESS FOR ALL MANKIND through His only begotten Son Jesus Christ. Come to know him intimately,

Come to drink of His living water and eat of Him who is the true bread of heaven. It is time to throw out the stale bread and the poisoned waters of tradition and lies, and MEET JESUS THE VICTOR!
Which is what Jesus really did at Calvary. God was in Christ, reconciling the WORLD unto Himself, forgiving THEM THEIR TRESPASSES.

Doesn't sound like eternal torment is any forgiving to me, does it you?

Doesn't sound like Jesus prayer that He said His Father always heard Him and answered was answered does it, when He said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do? Who was the them?
Was it just the Romans, and the Pharisees, He asked forgiveness for or just who put or what put Him on the Cross, MANKIND? ADAM?
Learn more and find Hope for all man, instead of the garbage that tradition has put out there or if you aren't going to bother to SEEK TRUTH SO THAT HE CAN SET YOU FREE then for "goodness sake" at least preach your eternal torment and live like you say you believe.

Quit being a hypocrite!

Joseph Black

It is Finished "

“For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love” (Galatians 5:6)

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. (Romans 3:24)

That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (Titus 3:7)

But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they [The Gentiles]. (Acts 15:11)

Ephesians 2:5 states that “by grace ye are saved.”

“For by grace are ye saved through faith” (Ephesians 2:8)

5:6). Here is a great key to opening this mystery. Faith is needed, but it must be faith that works and the only true way that faith can work is by love.

So we have saving grace which we receive through faith that works by love and the source of all love is God! “God is love” (1John 4:8, 16

So whence does faith come from?
Does it come from just a believing in something?
What defines True Faith?

This faith is not simply an acknowledgment of existence, for “the devils also believe (pisteuo), and tremble” (James 2:19).

We are not saved, because one day we believed. So what?
As James said, the devils "believe"
It is not our belief that wrought salvation to ourselves or anyone for that matter.
It was Christ faith, his trust, his love, that graced us ALL unto salvation.
Love and faith are equal, one cannot stand without the other.

So John writes, I John 4:7-13
7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is begotten of God, and knoweth God.

8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

9 Herein was the love of God manifested in us, that God hath sent his only begotten Son into the world that we might live through him.

10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.

12 No man hath beheld God at any time: if we love one another, God abideth in us, and his love is perfected in us:

So let us examine, John 3:14-20 in new light.

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up;

15 that whosoever believeth may in him have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.

17 For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him.

18 He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19 And this is the judgment, that the light is come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their works were evil.

Now keep in mind, this passage is spoken by our Lord before He has been lifted up on the cross -this is ALL PRE-CROSS speech, while man and Jesus are yet under the law. Jesus is speaking in terms of man, as he stands there right before them a that moment in time.

Only those that accepted Him before he died for who He was were receiving His Grace while present, in that moment of time. They were being shown or revealed the death they were in, and were being brought into life, knowing the Father and the Son.
He thus says this defining what ETERNAL LIFE,is. He says nothing here about it being the opposite of after you die of going to hell versus you go to heaven:
John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

See man's religious propensity is to always focus, on the what happens after you die. All religions have been built upon this premise, because it is the one unknown of mankind, no one has been there and returned to life to tell us, this is what it's like to die. Jesus did no explaining as to what transpired while dead.
Every known religion of mankind has been built on a premise of good and evil, hell and heaven. Jesus came to deconstruct religion and bring life. Culture and society has been built on or around death not life.
The Egyptians did the same, as any anthropologist can show you, religion and society has been built on the premise of death, not life in the here and now.

The difference is- Jesus revealed true death, but His emphasis was always not on our end, but on us being given a new beginning. All men.
He was here to make that new beginning possible and then the end the goal.
In the end, to wipe out sin and death, good and evil, and religion, and all of those things that have held mankind under bondage for lifetimes.

Paul writes this as proof of that for which Christ was about to do, as the new father of the entire human race in Romans 5:11-12

11 Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ
12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

Note he Paul doesn't say it would be any different as man have tried to re-interpret the word of God, for the sake of their tradition.
It says JUST AS.
What happened to ALL of us, not just a few of us, but ALL of us because of Adam?
We didn't get Adam's nature because we "believed in Adam", we got his nature as representative of all mankind, and that bloodline would run, until when, the New Adam was brought forth.
Note in these verses, the CHANGE the TRANSITION OF ALL MEN.
1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

1 Corinthians 15:45
So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being” ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

Note something different about this Adam, this LAST Adam Paul calls Jesus, He isn't just a living being....HE IS THE LIFE GIVING SPIRIT.
He did what...He gave unto man a whole brand new nature that man had not held since before the FALL, He has breathed in us His Spirit, we have been restored, He said it is finished, and it is!

Paul again in Romans speaking.
13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.
Did Jesus fulfill the law or not?
Did he not remove the law and give us grace or not?
Did he only have you in mind, when He did so, or the whole world?
Were you saved only when YOU came to believe. Even the devils believe.

It wasn't my belief, or your mother's belief or anyone's belief that ever saved you, it was this new plan of God, this new turn around of all events, that saved us all, all of us. What a wondrous God He is, God is love.
Why do most man not understand this?
1 Corinthians 1:18
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
What is this perishing, what is this salvation but life from the death we have been in. We have re-defined scriptural meaning as to just what Jesus saved us from.
He didn't come to save us from hell!
He came to save us in our everyday lives, whereby we live here and now, from perishing, not being useful or graced with knowing God and the Son, intimately.
To keep us from such foolishness to think that somehow we are always the one's that can save ourselves from ourselves. For that which was the nature of fallen man, to live only as a good person or evil person, but all the same He could not ever be righteous.
That is the wonderful gift given to us, that we all have been graced with in Christ final proclamation of "It is Finished", but how will we ever know to come to experience this "so great of a salvation?"

When we see God graces us to understand it, this is the Sovereignty of God for this life, to some they will never understand it, for the purposes and plan of God, it is his choice but it has nothing to do, with them going to hell or heaven, it has everything to do with experiencing and having a knowing fellowship here now with God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son before death.
How could we ever become so stupid to believe that God eternal, only operates within the confines of our time and space. We must realize that His work in Christ is eternal, no man will ever, nor has any man died the death that Jesus died.

For the wages of sin is death, separation from the Father, while under the Law, we were DEAD in sin and trespasses, but now that the Law has been removed in Christ, he has set us free, all of us, from sin.
This isn't saying we can't do evil, nor does it say we can't do good, what it says, we are no longer under that condemnation as man anymore, NOT ONE, because of Jesus. We are no longer defined by what we do, but Who He Is and who we were in Him and who we are in Him now.
When you grasp that, you will have abundant life, age lasting(aion)life, because you will be experiencing fellowship with Him.
Please don't perish in THIS LIFE, you can do so, if you please, but God is love, and in the end, when you step out of this door into eternity, he will still be there, with the Gospel, man's death has nothing to do with the nullifying what Christ has done.
You know it in your heart, and have longed for this truth.
Here is what God has done, as Paul states, not as man and tradition states:
2 Corinthians 5:19
that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
Reconciliation is done, it is complete, there is nothing that separates any man from God anymore, that was grace.
To enjoy it, to experience this reconciliation, here and now in this life, however we do have to place our entire reliance and trust upon that which He has done. So trust pays a part to acquisition of that which is ours.
Paul writes this in Romans 3:21-25
23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
25whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;

Note is the word "people" used here to mean an exclusive people or an inclusive people meaning ALL PEOPLE? In light of the other scriptures it surely means ALL!
Inclusive I say to you. "It is Finished".

What yet is it that belongs to you and I and that all men need to pray and ask God is to make this grace known to us in grander measure so we can know it, experience it, think it, live it, walk in it, abide in it, so that Paul writes this in Romans 3:26-28
26for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
27Where then is boasting? It is excluded By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.
28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
So, God has reconciled all men, all men are justified, but how can they have faith, to know this, and experience this new exchanged life, of justification and know that their old one life has been removed in Christ, and their new one given freely by grace in Christ, the last Adam, the life giving Spirit.
By only one means: Romans 10:11-13
14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”
We read Romans 10:17
17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.
Notice "the word about Christ"... it is the message of "It is finished" that we are to preach, of God's reconciliation, finished, completed in Christ, not about some wild story, about did you know Jesus died so you won't have to go to hell.
No! that is not the Good News, that is just a confabulated messed up presentation of the truth made up by men and their vain imaginations, that presents none of the truth that Paul was preaching nor that we should be preaching.
Paul in all his writings, doesn't mention at all, HELL, once. Why has "christianity" so failed to miss the GOOD NEWS.
I tell you why?
19 And this is the judgment, that the light is come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their works were evil.

Awake oh! body of Christ and let us present the Good News and let us present not the God of the dead but the God of the living.
Matthew 22:32
‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’ ? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”
Mark 12:27
He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!”
Luke 20:38
He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.”
Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.

Colossians 3:1
[ Living as Those Made Alive in Christ ] Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.
Thinking, teaching, preaching on salvation from hell is surely not thinking on that which is above!
God saved us from who we were, to make us who we are, in Him.
So that we might have life here and now and forever.
Let us preach, Christ crucified, let us preach, the truth of Universal Reconciliation and faith needed to enjoy it in the here and now.
Yes there is no more sin and death, your physical death has no meaning in relationship to sin, it is the separation from which man was from God their loving father, that was death, and thanks be to our Lord, no man is under that penalty anymore.
This is universal reconciliation- it is finished.
However, for it to become real for you or for me, or to others, to know what it means daily to walk in that knowledge of God's love, and that we are not what we do, but who we are now in Christ Jesus, there must come trust, reliance upon- faith, love to experience that, and bring it into our lives and the lives of those around us and the world we live in.
So, yes faith, has everything to do, with experiencing this grace, but has nothing to do with creating this grace for which Christ has freely given unto all men. It is when we begin to experience it, that is the meaning behind the word salvation, here, not there on the other side of the grave.
Jesus said that part - "It is Finished"... the rest He is still working out in us, through us, and by us, with Him in us, as we realize and walk in Him, knowing WE WERE IN HIM THEN and WE ARE IN HIM NOW.
Isn't it wonderful to experience so great a salvation, why would you want to exclude others with some false presentation of the gospel, which as Paul said it no gospel at all, instead tell them of God's universal reconciliation and that it belongs to them as well, and let them experience eternal life as well, right now.

Why make them wait until time to start for that is after they leave here, save God the work of having to tell them the story, when they stand in the presence of the one who reconciled us to Him, and they have to say, Geez I didn't know, and God will say, that's OK Son, now I will tell you and show you the GOOD NEWS....welcome!
Will there be a judgment, yes, and that is for another time, and another article, but it is the same as ours who have come to know Him, temporal and corrective, not eternal and punishment.


Joseph Black D.D.

Weeping Woman

John 20:11-14 (New American Standard Bible)

11 But Mary was standing outside the tomb weeping; and so, as she wept, she stooped and looked into the tomb;
12 and she saw two angels in white sitting, one at the head and one at the feet, where the body of Jesus had been lying.
13 And they said to her, "Woman, why are you weeping?" She said to them, "Because they have taken away my Lord, and I do not know where they have laid Him."
14 When she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, and did not know that it was Jesus.
15 Jesus said to her, "Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?" Supposing Him to be the gardener, she said to Him, "Sir, if you have carried Him away, tell me where you have laid Him, and I will take Him away."
16 Jesus said to her, "Mary!" She turned and said to Him in Hebrew, "Rabboni!" (which means, Teacher).


Please note, Mary first stated something that was correct her observation, it was fact, Jesus body was gone! So she wept, she was in despair, perhaps she thought if she could but see Him just one more time, she could get back that sense of His presence, of Him before He died.

It wasn't Mary's speaking something that was lack of faith, the mouth does speak what the heart believes and is most often based on truth on observable facts, what we see the facts are.
Yet, there is a deeper truth, we are to see, and learn. It goes beyond our intellect, it reaches down into our hearts and sets us free!

Yes, truth was Jesus had died, that was a fact, she was right to say that and believe that, He was no longer in her presence, she had that correct as well, His body was gone, she had that correct, and she wanted to know His presence again even if He was just a lifeless body. She had this wrong, because the Father had a grander plan then she could comprehend.

She wanted to know His presence again, so much, that she told Jesus while not yet,knowing who He was, "tell me where you have laid His body, and I will take Him away!"

I know the hardest part for me, of my first wife's death, was when they put her body into the ground. When she was there in the casket, I could still look at her with my eyes, touch her if I wanted to, but the reality comes to your heart when they lower that casket into the ground and your last sight of them is laid away. The grave separated me from her presence. Unlike we practice, burying our loved ones under the ground, the Hebrews buried above the ground, one could still go to the grave and see their loved one, touch them, and gain some sense of remembrance of them. Perhaps sense their presence again.

She knew he was dead, she stood there at the cross, saw it happen, and his body was no longer where she had prepared it after He was dead, it's was gone.
Where's my dead Jesus?
That is what her heart was asking, and she spoke what was on her heart?
Where she went from there, is where we often go in our own faith and understanding of the Gospel. We know the facts of what pain we are in, we know Jesus, but all of a sudden we have forgotten the Gospel, the truth of the "exchanged life."

Many times like many of you, I have found myself at the hard places in life, because I failed to see who I am in Him and to realize that, No, He is not dead.
He is here, present right now not just a memory but in reality.
He is very much alive, I in Him and Him in me.

We often like Mary Magdalene, get so focused either on the Jesus of history, Jesus on the cross, that it clouds our minds and just like Mary, we see only His death on the cross. If that is all we see of Jesus, and nothing beyond the cross, we have it wrong in the first place and unbelief only magnifies from there into every area of our life.
We begin to believe, well He is not here, I will just be what I have always been, a stinking sinner until He comes or suffer the pain of this life alone.
He is in His heaven and I am stuck here on this earth. Maybe if I try a little harder, I can get from here to there. So, we leave our first love.
Remember, we didn't love Him first, we love Him now because He first loved us.

The Good News is - He has come, he is present now, standing right there with you, in you, and as you desiring to live through you everyday. You are in Him.
No, I am not saying we are Jesus, but we are so in union with Him by what He has done, we are of one Spirit with Him joined to Him forever.
Jesus is all the time right here in our presence.
I am not saying that the cross isn't an important part of the overall Gospel, but the cross is not the whole Gospel. Christ didn't come to keep us from going to hell, he came and broke down it's doors and got us out of what we were already in, sin and death (hell).

The living, the resurrected Jesus, the exchanged life we now have in Him, should be the center of our trust as well as knowing what we were, that old self, was already put to death at the cross. He didn't go to the cross, to be beat up by God, He went there out of love, to rescue us from our sin, our nature of the old man, the flesh. We killed Him with our sin, and he died because of His love.

Just like Mary, too often we don't know His presence, because all we see is forgiveness of sin instead of our death to the sin nature, she knew His forgiveness, He had rescued her from the life of death she was living as a demoniac, and those circumstances would have led to her being stoned to death or remaining cast off from who considered themselves, good.
She loved much because she had been forgiven much. Jesus had showed her a glimpse of what was too come, and what was happening around her. He gave her a glimpse of what would be after the cross and resurrection for her life. Victory.

She just didn't know how much He really loved her, that He would never abandon her, and He would never leave her without His presence.
He wouldn't leave her to her own strength to deliver herself from a life that she once lived, where the dark powers of evil could destroy that which God loved. Forgiveness alone doesn't give us deliverance from the power of what we were and the powers that brought it about.
Jesus not only had forgiven us his life offered that, he had to die, to remove the who we were, and destroy that evil in us, that made life evil. He had to be resurrected to make a new who we are. God was expressing his love toward us, not punishing us, in Christ. We still don't get that one, right, because of a lot of false teaching on who God is. We hang onto shadows, and Old Testament revelation which was not a clear picture of the God of love. It is in Christ, that we come to understand and gain the clear picture of the Father and who He is. So John could say, God is love.

Jesus was to be gone but for that short time of the grave.
She like the disciples and us many times, did not hear or do we hear, for He said He would die, but be raised up in three days.
We too often because of wrong teaching and relying on our experiences in life, treat His resurrection as something that only has meaning for when we die, sometime way out there in the future and all we are left with is a dead Jesus!
A Jesus that forgives, but that's it. We have to wait until later in the future to get anything else. I want to say, right now, "what we have now, is what we will have then, so if you don't have it now, don't expect it later."

The Old Testament had a means for the Hebrews to receive forgiveness from God, but it could never remove the consciousness of sin. It couldn't remove the power of sin, the law (religion), or the consequences of sin, which is death (spiritual separation from our Creator God). It could only offer forgiveness for a short time for the sin. The priest had to come back year after year to provide forgiveness.
It was limited forgiveness to one people, the Hebrews or those Gentiles who accepted the one true God. God had a grander plan in mind.
No, He did much more than just offer us forgiveness, but what He did was become the more perfect sacrifice, rather then the blood of bulls and goats, He was the perfect lamb of God, that would remove the stain of sin, the consciousness of sin, the power of sin, and it's consequences and make a new creation. No longer would the Old Adam represent God's creation but the new Adam - Christ would.
He would become sin, He would take what we were, upon Himself. He was the propitiation for our sins and deliver us from that nature, that power, the consequence.

We don't realize that when we look at the cross that is who we use to be, we look at His resurrection and that is who we are.

Rather than perceiving the Good News, the entirety of the full Good News, as if we are sitting at the docks of despair, and weeping, thinking that some day the ship will arrive. We need to realize who we are now, that we have been raised by Him into newness of life already. The ship has arrived and we are on it!
We are headed on our journey home and the boat we are on, is home. His name is Jesus.

We are completely new creations because He died, because He lives, because He has joined Himself to us before the cross in his life, He was a human, at the cross he died as a human but even more he died the death that we won't have to- complete and utter separation from God in that moment of time, and in the resurrection he was raised as a God, and we are one in Him, forever more.
This doesn't make us "a god," as some have twisted that to mean, it shows we are loved of God and precious to Him as children, brethren and sisters of Christ and children. Made to be Sons of God, not the Son of God.

You know, we say we believe in Jesus, but aren't we just often acknowledging the Jesus of history. We often play this number in our heads due to a lot of poor teaching and religion stealing our first love away.
"Yes, I believe He died and was resurrected, but we like Mary are saying to ourselves and others - "they have stolen his body away, He's gone."
We desire and need to know the presence of that love again, when I saw my forgiveness in Him. We started on the right train, but somewhere after we saw we were forgiven by Him, we didn't get the whole message because religion crept in and stole even that little bit of revelation that God had given us, that by faith we could be forgiven, then started right back into trying to appease God. He is already pleased with us, in His Son. Rest in it.

This was the Jesus that made Mary weep, he was not only dead in her mind, but his body, her explanation or "theology" was that is body had to have been stolen.
She fell under the magic of the lie, that the soldiers were to tell everybody as to why His body was no longer there. They were to tell everyone that some of his disciples had stole the body away in the night.

Then she turns around, and there He is, she doesn't recognize Him.

One of the beautiful parts of this story, is, He didn't chide her, and say to her, "Mary quit being a sinner, where's your faith."
No, He so loves her, He show first His concern for her.
He loves her with the love of the Father, His heart feels her pain, and He ask "Woman, why are you weeping? then He ask something the angels didn't ask -
"Whom are you seeking?"
Jesus gets right to the heart of her heart, her concern, He knew she wasn't crying over just anything, but that she was seeking Him.
He doesn't continue after that, to say anything, He stops and let's her tell him why she weeps.
He listens to her desire to know His presence once again.
She was even ready to go to the extent to gain that presence again, that if this stranger had his body she would come and take His body away.

What a difference that makes doesn't it, He doesn't attack her evaluation of the situation, or her inability to recognize Him, or that she believes His body has been stolen, or any of that.
He spoke first to her out of love. He expresses His love, He knows what is on her heart, He allows her to speak, and then something changes her, something, drastically happens, something opens her eyes to see Him.
He says her name- "Mary" and she with that one word her own name spoke from the lips of the one she so desired to know His presence again, the scales of blindness, that just moments before kept her from recognizing Jesus fall off. She awakes from the facts of only what she has observed and imagined to see that which was unseen just moments before, she recognizes it is Him.
Rabboni! She exclaims...
Her heart is lifted into the heavenlies, her smile returns, her sadness turns to joy, and suddenly her tears are wiped away, and she finds there is no more pain and death.

You know I have found in my life, when I got into those places of mistrust, or started believing the lies again that He is not present, my heart would be hurting, my heart would be breaking, I how I longed to know His presence again, that's when Jesus comes to me me, and He ask me, "Man, why are you weeping?" and He doesn't stop there, He knows why I am weeping, He ask, "Whom are you seeking?"
Then He looks at me with those tender eyes and love permeates His being, and He speaks to me, and says, "Joe!"
My heart is lifted and my countenance restored. Oh! Glory to God in the highest.

It is then when my mind and heart recognize He is alive, and I realize that the resurrection of Him is true and as real for me, as it was for Mary, and like Mary, I cry out "Rabboni," which means Teacher. It cries out Savior, It cries out my King, it cries out my life.

Isn't it wonderful, the best Teacher in the world, is not one who hits us with a ruler, and tells us "behave now, do it right or I will send you to hell."
No! That is not my king of glory.
My king comes along in my pain and in my hurt and says, "why do you weep, whom do you seek."
I am alive, here, now in your presence. I know that because I hear my name at Calvary, I hear my name that day in the Garden, I hear my name spoken by Him before the Father. What wondrous love is this.
He is our ever present Teacher and our ever present life.
We are not what we do, but we are - who He is.
Our behavior doesn't define us.
Our misbehavior, our mistrust at times, It doesn't change His love for us and His desire for us to know His presence. He didn't leave us alone. We don't have an evil twin in us, We have Jesus!

Jesus didn't look at Mary and judge her for not knowing what happened at the cross, and for not understanding the resurrection, neither did Jesus chastise Mary for not recognizing Him while His presence was right there with her.
He made His presence known to her, this is what He does for us, when our focus becomes, the cross, as if that is all He was to do, was to die for our sins and give us forgiveness of sin, then go to heaven and leave us here without His presence, then we miss the full picture of that death and the resurrection.
He is still right here present right now. Oh! that we might grasp a clearer revelation of the resurrection as well.
2 Corinthians 5:21
"He ( speaking of God) made Him (speaking of Jesus) who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we (that's you and me) might become the righteousness of God in Him..

He didn't die to be punished for our sins, he died, to be "sin on our behalf "so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

This is what happened at resurrection we were in Him then as well.

He gave us His righteousness.

Colossians 1:22
yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach--

He was resurrected so...

Romans 6:4
Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.

Ephesians 2:6 (New American Standard Bible)
6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

Right here, right now.

It is a free gift from a loving God who doesn't expect us to be something we aren't instead He takes that which we were, and kills it, at the cross and gladly gives us, what He is in the resurrection.
Do you realize, you are in Him - right now in heavenly places. A partaker of His divine nature, a holy nation, a royal priesthood. You didn't make yourself that, He did, and He doesn't see us any different when we forget who we are in Him.
God is not looking down on you, and saying "get it right,"
He is not shaking his finger at you, when you fall into mistrust of the Gospel.
He is saying "It is finished"...and He raps it all up in Revelation with "It is done."

What is faith, it is the trusting in the shared death, resurrection and life we now have in Him. It is seeing the power of love and He that is love.
It isn't seeing His presence as way off there in heaven somewhere.
Nor are we waiting for Him to come to fix us or the world. Yes, He will raise us up in the last day, to have everything he has, immortality. The rest He has spoken already.
He said "it is finished." Trust those words. Trust Him!

He is constantly reminding us, bringing to our sight, the truth of the Gospel saying, I am alive and so aren't you. He speaks our name to us reminding us, of His eternal love for us.

Despair, grief and sin in our lives overwhelms us at times, because we haven't heard Him speak our name- He is right here in our presence, right now, resurrected and alive, in you and in me and we are in Him.. and the really cool thing is, He doesn't waste His time to chide us or condemn us for times of mistrust, instead He speaks to His in His language, of who He is. God is love!

Mary discovered that day, that Jesus is alive, have you? That Jesus loved her so much she had not abandoned her.

Or are you still trying to figure out somehow, someway, to make it look like you believe that, by religious effort, living in unbelief of the death and resurrection, living in your unbelief, that He is not here, with you in the midst of your troubles or even your mistrust at times. Perhaps you have never met the Jesus I am speaking of. I hope I have introduced Him to you, for those who have met Him, He hasn't left you here as twins, one evil one and one good one.
He has made a new man, woman or child of you in His Son. He is your life now.

He is here, we are in Him and He in us.


Hear him speak your name there at the garden as He did Mary's name.

He will I promise, in the midst of the darkest hours we experience, look at us, and say, Why do you weep, whom do you seek? and then He WILL speak our name, because He is so closely connected to us, He understands our desire to know His presence in our life everyday. He is here right now with you and with me, speaking our names, saying I am alive, and so are you.
Mary got the answer, and her weeping was turned into joy.

Love all encompassing love, touched her heart with those words of compassion, as opposed to words of condemnation, He brought her beyond just the forgiveness she knew, He brought her Himself, again, raised from the death she so feared had taken Him away. She realized He was the Victor over sin and death, and He said "I am here Mary, it is I." Just like Peter heard him say as the waves crashed about Him. It is I. I am not ghost, I am the living resurrected conqueror over sin and death.
Isn't it great that He knows my name and your name and all of those to which He died for, all those to which He was raised for, and all of those to which He has poured out His Spirit for, and all those for which are joined to Him in Holy Matrimony, His Bride! Come let us enjoy our honeymoon with Him.

Dr. J.

Are We To Seek Immortality or Life In Christ?

We, humans,  because we are innately made mortal, whether subconsciously or on purpose seek to make ourselves immortal whether it be literally through the positions we hold in life, whether by title, career, money or anything that will give us a sense of immortality (being a god). This is our denial of death.
Even religion can be just another way to seek immortality in our attempt to deny our mortality. I say religion as differing from true trust in someone outside of one's self which is what true Christianity is suppose to be, but in large part as seen is not. It is largely based on "personal belief" systems to gain immortality. It is not based on the story the Bible shows mankind, but some select verses to believe in that will save you as a man, grant you immortality, and because of your "belief" make you a god, over others who do not believe. Thus your god, and I use the little "g" to differentiate between yourself and the Creator, is but another invention of yourself as a god and in order to do that, you must always have those who are not gods. Our nature is to deny life to others while granting it to ourselves, because our faith is in our definition of our faith rather in the CREATOR himself, so anything that would threaten that, drives us to be sure, to have something that separates us from those "like myself that believe" from those that unlike myself "that do not believe."

The foundation of that has to be "because I believe I am saved."  Thus making ourselves once more a god, denying God as the ALL POWERFUL ONE and ALL LOVING ONE WHO SAVES. We change it to "I must believe" to be saved.
Which is to say,as most "chirstians believe"  if the " I" ( my human will ( god likeness) ) is not exercised God is unable to save me or anyone else.

I ask was it by your will you came into this world, and is it by your will you will be able to keep yourself from going out of this world? Of course not, thus what good does your human will do you?
Is it your will that MAKES you sin, or something outside of your will? Can you make yourself walk in perfection to the Mosaic Law or even the law of love? I think experience tells you that isn't true either and even the Word of God tells you that isn't true. So how shall you save yourself, oh Man?

You cannot save yourself from the same experience all men will have, even Jesus suffered it,  the end of yourself as you know yourself and others know you now. PHYSICAL DEATH, the ceasing of your present cognitive abilities to see, feel, hear,touch and speak, etc.
YOU WILL DIE. so why do you deny it?
Your situation hasn't changed from anyone else - Death still knocks on your door.

So in seeing that is true, we yet have to  and seek to deny our deaths, by creating once more division between us and someone else, since we can show a difference there, we must now turn from literal denial to symbolic denial. (so we can be gods and others not) So that we can be immortal.
Thus we find comfort in the doctrine of eternal torment. It keeps us in our status of a god, I BELIEVE, and therefore THEY DON'T , therefore they have not SAVED THEMSELVES AS I HAVE.
It is still a subconscious means for you to be a god and deny your death and yet be immortal while others are not.
Why will that work for you?
Why do you insist on it as a necessity belief to be saved?
I will tell you why, because as long as you hold to that belief, and that is really what your faith in faith is.
It also enables you to attempt to prove your are right that BELIEF saves you by using something to SCARE people into believing like you. It is the same way, that governments use the threat of force against other governments that may oppose their culture and politics. The same way men use any power over others to achieve and sustain they are right and everyone else is wrong, and thus they remain a god, but truly only believe like that if they can get more people believing what they believe thereby proving they are "a god" and immortal, for see MAJORITY proves it.

It is not a trust in the God that is love and that created all men to love, but it is in something that is an unknown factor that one can only surmise at, and not prove, or even show in the story of Jesus death.

If the wages of sin is eternal torment, then surely if Jesus paid the debt of our sins, then doesn't it surmise that He should be in "your hell" still being tormented? Of course He is not, He paid God himself - in the flesh, our debt which is death physically and even more then that, and Jesus died being separated from the Father, that some how majestically brought forgiveness to us from God, and enables us to forgive God for the mess we are in.
To see that in both actions God is love, it's not about the punishment Jesus received, but about the life He gave to know what death is, and means to us as humans, and how and why it effected our view of God, it delivers us from seeing God as evil (unlike the teachings of the "belief' and retribution and deterrence theologians do, they present a schizophrenic God) but gives us the full view of God, as ALL POWERFUL AND ALL LOVING.


They say they believe God is one, yet they have the Father as He must punish someone to get satisfaction before He can forgive them, and then we have God the Son, who says, I will die so that they might live, I will love them into my Kingdom, by letting MYSELF be punished?
Telling us see God loves you so much, then if you don't believe that Jesus took the whacking you deserve, then you are going to take something worse then what He did, you will be tormented in your flesh (?) FOREVER,

I am confused already, aren't you?


I  still haven't figured that one out, seeing I have seen bodies that have been burned as a Firefighter, they are burned up and dead.  Most importantly on top of all that in order for people to have that punishment they too would have to be granted "immortality."
Meaning they have life and not death, which would be contradictory to the passage they hold to as proof of eternal torment, which is the passage in Revelation regarding the Lake of Fire, which is defined right there what it means, but they read over it, because they have been blinded by tradition and CAN'T see truth.
This is what it reads: Revelation 20:14
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire This IS the second death, the lake of fire.
 
Whenever one sees the word IS what is about to follow is the definition of the what preceded it.

The Lake of Fire is the second death.. so if they are being tossed into death, how can they yet be alive?

Then we see before all this passage:  

Revelation 20:14

Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire This is the second death, the lake of fire.

So hell is destroyed by hell?  Geez.... figure that one out.


I am confused already, aren't you?

Which one is GOD? God is LOVE or is it GOD IS HATE as they teach and carry that teaching on into their eternal torment theology.
How could anyone accept that God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son with that kind of theological and eschatological garbage being put out by those that are supposed to be His people?

They make God sound like someone who needs to be on a psycho - pharmaceutical, to arrest or at least ease his Schizophrenia.  They are sadly themselves deluded, this is not the God of the Bible but the delusion God sent them who love not the truth. 


2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

God number one, full of wrath and demanding he must have some justice, isn't physical death the justice he gave us all, isn't it enough, it is of course, but because of it, we could no longer relate to God, spiritually. Even though we still had spirit, the breath of life, we only related to God in fear, now because our own inevitable deaths made us fearful of Him. We could then only relate to God, by the things we brought into this world, good and evil, but that which men no matter which way he swings on that tree, always still ends up doing evil. So in the end, the human mind, the carnal mind viewed God as such, that because this world is that way, God must be. WRONG!
God told Adam that day surely you shall die! That is the consequence of disobeying God's law, this is revealed to us throughout the Old Testament, and in life itself!
So God comes to deliver us from ALL that by dying as well, experiencing our deaths which gave us spiritual inability to perceive of Who God is, and His intentions for us, our significance in other words.

Why did you create us God for what purpose if we but just die?

It can't be proved per se, that men's hell exist or doesn't exist, it only comes into existence because it is what you need to maintain your god like status of other men. It allows you to see yourself as immortal, as a god, thereby denying your mortality. So you have managed as I did for years, to take certain passages of Scripture BRAINLESSLY, and use them to try to PROOF TEXT your theory and hypothesis so other people will be as scared as you , or at least come alongside you to strengthen your "god' status to prove you are right, and your BELIEF in BELIEF will hold true for you to get your well deserved heaven and no hell, because YOU BELIEVED> you are a god now. Let me bow before you!  NOT!

What if the only way to gain immortality is to know the ONLY ONE who is Immortal, to have intimate knowledge of Him and the Son He sent. What if it was all about our relationship in the here and now to Him, others and ourselves, and not being saved from your hell later to your heaven later.

What?

You thought in your believing something you would gain immortality.

I hate to disappoint you, but let's believe the Word of God first and foremost.

Here it is that will punch a hole in your belief to get immortality or that men have immortality, which you have to have to go to hell or heaven.

1 Timothy 6:15-17
He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

What ? You don't possess immortal life?

Does that scare you?

I hope so, because you don't!

What?  Grandma isn't seeing God with her eyes right now in heaven while floating on a cloud with her angel wings playing a harp?
NOPE, she isn't sorry to say.

But I don't want to leave you without hope for Grandma or yourself.

I want to continue here to show you more than a hope, or a theology of your FAITH that saves you or the eschatology of your heaven or hell that scares you into submission of lips but gives you NO power of will to do that which is Godly, Holy or Righteous.

Only God is IMMORTAL, and man is NOT IMMORTAL and was not created IMMORTAL.

If man obtains any immortality it is because -He Christ the IMMORTAL ONE has graced us immortality because He is Spirit and in the beginning gave us LIFE and then in the end, put us into that life, for HE poured out HIS SPIRIT upon ALL FLESH.
Outside of that NO MAN HAS IMMORTALITY that he may grant himself.
To go one place or another.

He cannot save Himself, whether he believes or doesn't believe.
No more than He can choose when to be born and when to die.
ALL IS THE HANDS OF THE FATHER. 
Does that scare you, that your will is of no account, I hope it does!

The amazing thing about truth, is it always stirs the self righteous indignation of those who don't want to hear it. They are angry because you have attacked their stronghold to which their faith is in in truth- THEMSELVES. Not the God of the Universe, but the god of SELF.

So, if we have a wrong perception of the Father right from the start, then yes, we are going to believe in a mean and full of hate Creator who wishes to destroy or harm man for infinity for some finite sins, but worse then that, we get it because ADAM did it to us, and we had no choice yet between the TREE OF ETERNAL LIFE and the TREE Humans live on, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Now that truly reveals a God of Justice and Love, doesn't it?

Blame Eve really she was the one busy in the day talking to a beast.
Maybe if she would have had kids, she wouldn't have had time for such conversations and the world would have never got in the shape it is. Of course, I am being humorous here, and facetious. Ladies I am not trying to disparage you, neither was Paul of the New Testament.

Jesus did more for women's equality then ever was done by all the religions in the world, and present "christian religion' does.

To ASSUME that all men are made immortal and die immortal and go to a heaven or hell is going beyond Scripture.

That is not what the STORY IS ABOUT... immortality is a GIFT, and we ALL RECEIVE IT ONLY AS A GIFT not because of what we believe but whom we were CREATED FOR.... and BY!

That gift was unavailable without our slavery to sin, the fear of death and the power of sin -devil being conquered first and foremost for our lives.

Yet, immortality means you have life and never will die?
True immortality is this, no BEGINNING AND NO END, as seen in the Father, but then we see something else with the Son, in the flesh, which we can relate to, He had a physical beginning as we do, but born from God, He had a life lived, but from the Father, He had a death He died, but with the Father, He had a resurrection by the love of the Father, and He now has immortality and power, because He is present with the Father. Yet, he was human while on this earth in every thought and action. It is this humanity lived out by God the Creator, as God the Creator intended for us, that alas gives us not only the Story of God's intention but Jesus then gives us the RESTORATION for all of God's Creation to be like Him, to live as He did, to die as He did, to be resurrected like He did, and to be glorified as a Son or child of the Father.

It's His story told, that is all of our story to unfold.

ALL BECAUSE OF JESUS!

In other words to be immortal you go on living forever, and we see God never died, in the sense, of being immortal, but we see Jesus in the sense of being both God and Man did.
We see God becoming man, and tasting our physical death as well, but in the end we see Jesus victorious!
Was Jesus raised because He was God, or because He was man?
Or was He raised because He was the GOD/MAN  and just what does that mean?

Here is a thought for you to consider.
If God who is Spirit has poured Himself, the same Spirit poured out  upon ALL FLESH at Pentecost, then what has happened to you as a human?


This:
2 Peter 1:3-5
"seeing that His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence.
For by these
He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust.



Jesus the man, but also God (a mystery still to the mind) tasted death - spiritual death for us, so that we might not taste spiritual death, the SECOND DEATH. The Lake of Fire.

In other words, He died our death physically and spiritually so He could give us Spiritual life in our physical lives in the here and now, and that though the BODY IS DEAD BECAUSE OF SIN, when we are finally freed from it in physical death.
The very life of God will be all of our lives forever more...

1. Romans 8:11
   But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
   
2. 1 Corinthians 15:53
   For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality.
   
3. 1 Corinthians 15:54
   But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, " DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in victory.
   
4. 2 Corinthians 4:11
   For we who live are constantly being delivered over to death for Jesus' sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh.
   
5. 2 Corinthians 5:4
   For indeed while we are in this tent, we groan, being burdened, because we do not want to be unclothed but to be clothed, so that what is mortal will be swallowed up by life.

 We are still in this tent but you see....WE SEE JESUS CONQUEROR OVER THE" POWER OF SIN" (the Devil)l,  over our slavery to it, because He has removed our fear of death. SIN  is that which produces and produced the FEAR OF DEATH.

How do we obtain that understanding we see it  through forgiveness, we see, that God has forgiven us ALL of our sins, and in that His death alone, ALL ARE FORGIVEN and thus restored to life, for which He created us for HIM.
So our own deaths physically would be a contradiction of innate immortality, wouldn't it?
So what immortality is it that God grants, physical life forever?

We know that not to be true, for even Jesus could not remain among us in the flesh, even after the resurrection.
Though here he was in a resurrected body, only so that He could show the Disciples He had been raised from the dead, not for us to build a doctrine on about physical resurrection, for Paul didn't see Christ that way, He saw Him how he now is. Unapproachable LIGHT.... as described in another passage I put in this article. It blinded Him, so he didn't see but He heard the voice of GOD speak no less then Moses did.

Jesus had to ascend to the Father, So that He could truly come to us, to remain with us, by sending the Spirit.

Spiritual Life is IMMORTAL LIFE, and it can't be seen, touched or handled anymore.

Jesus could while he was here, he told the Disciples this:

"We must work the works of Him who sent Me as long as it is day; night is coming when no one can work.

(Audience Relevance Again, please when reading these passages)
which simply means to whom was he speaking?Was he speaking to you and me some 2,000 years later or the Disciples?

To the Disciples of course! but this was for us as well, as it will lead to us understanding why the Holy Spirit was to come.

"While I am in the world, I am the Light of the world."

and herein is the reason He left. Let us see the reason HE LEAVES

TO SEND THE HOLY SPIRIT

John 16:7-11

 "But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
 8"And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;
 9concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me;
 10and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me;
 11and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.

Who was the ruler of THIS WORLD... the old Adamic Nature, Sin and the power of sin ie; the Devil, and ALAS DEATH  which is our mortality will be swallowed up in victory and it is in our knowing that He was victorious so shall we be.


1 Timothy 1:17
Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

So my friend, where or how will man obtain immortality since it wasn't a given, or nor shall be a given by our nature of being human or by our willing it so.

2 Timothy 1:10
but now has been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,

Yes, my friend He abolished DEATH and brought LIFE. But how can this be so, since we still all die physically?

Because the DEATH He abolished is our spiritual death. Which is the second death, the Lake of Fire.

He wrote all our names down in the BOOK OF LIFE... thus the grave and death, is thrown into that death, it holds no more power to make us fear, it is swallowed up in victory, by Christ and therefore it shall  be for us as well.
The Beast (serpent) and the False Prophet have been cast into the Second Death, the Lake of Fire where THEY WILL BE TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT.

For you see they are not beings, but the power of sin, and it's partner the fear of death that it brings that kept us as slaves to sin..

For us who know Him, we understand these things, and are not drawn off into the vain carnal imaginations of men.

In our fellowship with Him who is Spirit, He reveals that which is SPIRITUAL and not CARNAL.

Seek Christ and not IMMORTALITY for you see HE IS IMMORTALITY and in having Him, here and now, WE HAVE LIFE.

We are so blessed that God so loved us, He left us a written testimony of the STORY, and not a book that we can find immortal life in, but a book that testifies of IMMORTAL LIFE- JESUS CHRIST- the LIVING WORD.

1 John 1:1
  What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life--

A short poem from the Spirit

My heart sings with joy
my eyes behold His glory

My ears hear the singing
of the salvation he is bringing

I see in the world
His mighty Hand
I see the Spirit works
to bring in ALL men.

What a glorious Savior we have and what a marvelous CREATOR HE IS.

Joseph W. Black D.D.

God Is Love

God Is Love


CLICK ON THE ABOVE LINK TO HEAR THIS MESSAGE. I PRAY FOR MANY OF YOU WHO MAY NOT KNOW THE GOD OF LOVE, THAT MAY DOUBT HE LOVES YOU, THAT THIS MESSAGE WILL WIPE AWAY ALL DOUBTS AND TEARS AND ALAS SET YOU FREE!
The messages is just the first one of many messages of the assurances of God's love for you on my Pod Cast site. I hope you will take time to hear them.

Wisdom of God

I had a dream last night. I dreamed I was in a battle, and I was handed three sticks, that looked something like painted chop sticks, they were in color
natural wood, white striped around them and red stripes and they were very sharp.
I was to carry these close to my own heart within the bosom of my battle wear.
I thought, what are these for, so, I asked, the question in my dream and the answer that came to mind was this. One was, to use in battle to stick in the heart of the enemy, the second was to stick in the eye of the enemy and the last one, was to stick into my whole being if alas the enemy was winning to save myself from being killed. What suicide, I asked? Something like the Japanese warriors do, committing Hari kari.
With that I woke up. I must say I dreamed a lot last night and usually do. I don't always remember my dreams but these things looked like Chinese chop sticks with sharp points, and though I had taken martial arts for years as a young men, I never used sticks that looked like them. So, needless to say, I thought I would look to see, what all this might mean, not as far as future telling or anything like that, but as far as what is going on with problem solving in my subconscious at night.
I find I dream about things last thought about, and one good reason to not watch television or movies to much, to much poor input to the brain. I also dream things that spiritually encourage me, or even correct me at times. I also just dream, mostly great adventures, or drama, sometimes I have had my former wife in those dreams that I lost back in 2001. Needless to say sometimes they"dreams can bug us, So I have set out to see if I can come up with meaning to my dream, not that it is life or death, or for future telling or anything like that, but just curiosity why I dreamed this.

So, when I awoke, these things were still on my mind, what could they mean?

I got up feeling compelled to do a search for Three Sticks on Google, to see if there had been anyone else dream these symbols, could they be found inScripture, or what? I know that sticks can represent men or nations-particularly rulers  in Scripture often, and wood and trees can refer to men.

I came across a website, that a guy wrote, called Three Sticks, now the writer I could tell was probably of the Health Wealth and Prosperity theology, based on quotes etc.and titles of articles and the focus of the page was on using your christian faith to become successful as an entrepreneur. All that is fine but these are misapplications of the purpose of the sacred writings.

The one thing I learned in my time by the grace of God who delivered me from all things, when I was a preacher of this error, HW&P, was that they had some truth in scriptures that many had not recognized or read of, but as typical because their eyes are closed and hearing closed spiritually, they see and think only with the carnal mind, they never see these principles are not for gaining physical things in this life but for gaining spiritual things in our spiritual life that we have as children of God.
They are not meant for us to have physical health, but spiritual health, and not meant for physical wealth but spiritual wealth, and alas not for physical prosperity but for spiritual prosperity.
They are like the first children, children of the flesh, Old Israel. Blessing and cursing to them is all about this life in the realm of the physical and not about eternal life- knowing the Father and His Son whom He has sent.

However they do present some scriptures that hold spiritual truths in them, that many evangelical and "orthodox" denominations have as men of carnal minds have rejected or set aside altogether for their reasons of pride and institutionalism to build themselves up and keep the laity down even worse then they at times.
In Health Wealth & Prosperity circles they offer some hope and some sense of false self-esteem for the laity but maintain their power over them by claiming a "special anointing" over others, by using OT scriptures out of context and definitely not New Covenant where all things are held in common, and God shows no partiality.

Just like all the other "churches" do. They are still of the Old so they understand only in the Old. First the Carnal but then there is hope for them yet for we all start there, then by God's grace we come to the Spiritual. So those that condemn them need best look to their own errors as well.
Both sides as usual, twisted the scriptures into evil purposes by carnal reasoning into carnal matters or carnal things.
Just like Israel, they sought out other gods, of self, pride, and the blessings and accolades of this world and these things became idols of their hearts, and they are deceived and remain so, until God opens their eyes and hearts to His truth which comes from the Spirit. I praise Him that God showed me these errors within 2 short years of being introduced to them. Circumstances brought me to a place to seek God's truth again, by the Word and the Spirit. The Two Witnesses.

The "churches" miss the whole entire points of Christ life, death and resurrection, Pentecost and soon coming consummation of all things in Christ. They miss the reign of His people now in Christ. There are even dear brothers within the circles of us, who believe in Christian Universal Reconciliation, that miss a lot of the present of His presence, and are yet too looking for physical presences on earth, with a future kingdom on earth. I am not quite sure of that. Reason being Jesus emphasized that His Kingdom is not OF this world, nor does it seem to be a physical Kingdom but what Paul defines the Kingdom of God is: joy, peace and righteousness of the Holy Spirit. This is truly something spiritual that can only be within the inner man that comes outwardly to the world by the revealing of the life of Christ within us to the world, in Godliness, Peace, Love and all the fruits of that Kingdom. These are outward behaviors that are result of the new creation, Christ in you, the hope of glory. So even in there ideas of Revelation or some other Scriptures I may not be in complete agreement with them. Not unless God shows me something different. I stand on the written word revealed by the Spirit only. There are ten thousand conjectures on the book of Revelation, I prefer to see this book as written to each one of us, that are the ekklesia, as the revelation of Jesus Christ, for that is the spirit of prophecy. If it is such, then it too should come within the story of Christ victory over sin and death by the work of the Cross. I know the passages to be true on the consummation of all things in Christ. I am still not convinced one needs to tie these all down to one human historical event, but many events, in the life of each believer, and His walk with the Victor, and many historical events over all of time. Not a single event.

If you were to take many of the scriptures of what they take to be for their carnal physical principles to gain in this life, The HW&P teachings, then dump the carnal reasoning out of them, and some of the theological twist of their leaders given to them to enrich themselves, and allow God to open your eyes with other scriptures, to see the spiritual of some of these principals as called by them, then you might see principles not whereby we work them by trying to practice them but whereby God works them in our lives to give us "spiritual life" which are the riches of Christ.

They like Israel live in the shadow and their theological structures comes eventually to their own destruction. They are built on sand, of  MEN, the flesh, rather then the rock of Jesus Christ - The spiritual.
The shepherds of that movement and all "church' movements or movements of men to organize that for which and where Christ is not the head, and the people aren't the Temple of the Holy Spirit, where they instead believe the Ekklesia is the church of their buildings and programs these will all fall down. They will fall down as well under the Power and hand of God, as did the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD.
These Israel's of the flesh where all are not taught nor do they practice or allow His people the Ekklesia to be the royal priest unto God for which Christ has made them, where the people are corrupted and end up serving the priest (pastor) and a building and fleshly efforts at works. They have been proved to come down, they have in the past, will in the present and yet will finally come to all fall down at the consummation of all things in Christ.
Even today the church is encountering new church movements, the Emerging Church, House Church, Outlaw Church, and the word church runs on and on.... all yet feeble attempts for God's created fellowship of the heart among true believers. If you are a son of God, then God will bring you together with other believers, He will put people in your path to fellowship with, to share with, and want to share with you. You will encounter both children of Israel of the flesh and children of Israel of the Spirit. All the same they are brethren in Christ, one is just yet to discover the spiritual. That is the work of God, we all start there, you did, I did, and we all have been given a measure of faith. The question that each man must face is our faith in our faith or is our faith in the living Savior Jesus Christ and His Father, Who the bible says of them, God is love.
Who the Bible shows He is ALL POWERFUL AND ALL LOVING, and nothing takes place without His Will or Counsel. Their human will must fall down yet to the will of God and it will, whether here now or later.

ALL MEN will then fall down before the feet of Jesus Christ and alas declare Him to be LORD and not themselves, their systems, their theologies, their priest and pastors, their carnally lived good lives of this world's riches and sin.
Sin and Death will be alas completely swallowed up for all of mankind to see with their own eyes, the accomplished work of Christ. It is done! It is finished, but few see it.
All will be for the glory of and to the Father once He is revealed to ALL!
Man will have no glory in it, only thanks and praise unto Him who has saved us.

All these leaders of "Christendom" don't think so while they are yet busy eating the sheep, but eventually they too will be exposed for what they are but wolves awaiting to eat the sheep as Paul warned they were, they were already present then in His time, He was at constant battle to save the sheep from their ravenous mouths. They were lions going about to and fro looking for whom they might destroy, they came not to give life but to kill, steal and destroy, alas there is your Opposer and Adversary of Spiritual Life of men in Christ with God, the Accuser of the Brethren, the OPPOSERS to you who may know the Father and the Son, you His children. Their is your SATAN and his dominion of demons, their servants, their institutions, their power, their works,
2 Corinthians 11:14
No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

Their power over you.

It is not them as flesh and blood men but the spiritual nature by which they live and speak, that of opposers to us who know the things of God by the teaching of the Holy Spirit.

These men live off the sheep's grain apportioned to them from God that was not meant to be thrown to the wolves of the earthly priest of Carnal Israel and their carnal institutions, programs and plans of grandiose evil visions for their grandeur, whether it be, their theological treatise, their systematic theologies, their vain philosophies, their worship of angels, (their insistence that one must believe in their definitions of the Devil and Hell)to be saved.

One can come to see the spiritual aspects and truths of many of the passages of Scripture they love to quote and define with their carnal minds.

However you will not understand these passages without the Spirit of God, to reveal them to you. In other words unless the Holy Spirit teaches you, you will see them with a carnal point of view with the carnal mind, from carnal reasoning.
To show you, as Christ used the very words from the same book (sacred writings)
to counter their attacks on you , you can strike back with the Spiritual Words of the written Word.

They know them not, and they expect you not to either, but God will give you the words to speak, if you will but find the strength in Him, and ask Him for wisdom to do so. Don't make the mistake, and I have at times, of getting caught up in arguments of human wisdom to save them, you can't make a devil see truth, only God can "redeem devils and men."

Only God holds the power to remove our blindness and our deaf ears. He must do it, and He will, but alas there will be those for whom are yet blind and deaf, because of God's own purposes according to His own counsel and will.

You however child are to seek God's interpretation and not that of men, they are mere men, as well, and apply God's Word to the spiritual and your growth as a son of God, and realize these principles aren't to make you physically healthy all the time, popular with the world, rich, famous, powerful, owning much property, living life to the appeasement of your flesh and apply them ONLY to your spiritual growth, and life in walking with God, the Scripture can have, ALL SCRIPTURE
(not the selective theologies and men and solely their beliefs about them) can have tremendous potential for you to come out of the bondage to sin, to walk in the freedom for which Christ has purchased you in the Spirit, and you will discover the walk in Christ, overcoming sin, the world the flesh and the devil- a reality spiritually. I say potential because this what it says about Scripture, as opposed to those who worship the letter and not the Living Word.

2 Timothy 3:15
and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in
Christ Jesus.

The words will not save you, they will give you the wisdom to SALVATION through faith which - what is that in faith in - your faith? No! but Christ Jesus.

HE IS FOUND in the sacred writings ( Scripture), they testify of Him, His story is there from Genesis to Revelation, the sacred writings will give you His wisdom, that leads to salvation, and God gives you the faith that comes from the Wisdom of God, which can only be found in Christ Jesus.

The Israel of the Flesh, worships the sacred writings, and thus they never gain the Wisdom of God that leads to salvation through TRUE FAITH - which is in Christ Jesus. They stop there at the words, and do not ask for His Wisdom from the Words. They ask not to be lead to salvation but insist they have it simply because they believe. Once again falling upon their own understanding that all is Grace even faith!

Trust in Him, absolutely not the words alone, if the words themselves saved a man, then all of Christendom, would be in unity and saved, but they are not as of yet.

They are yet divided and yet carnal as Paul tells them in I Corinthians. He - men each has gone to his own way, and his own worship of certain sacred words from the sacred writings.
They search the scriptures thinking there might be life in them, but they are which speak of Him (Jesus Christ).

Yes, Scripture reading is important and imperative but it will not save you alone, nor is there salvation in the words, you must receive God's wisdom from them in order for it to bring you to salvation
No, the very word of God tells us in Timothy their purpose, but no man seeks the Wisdom from God which is from above and is truth, they seek their own wisdom or that of others to trust in.
Thus that wisdom never brings them to salvation because it is as James writes here:

James 3:15
This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, natural, demonic.

They open their commentaries, their lexicons with commentary added, and ask of those who say this is "orthodoxy" walk ye therefore in it.

They go to those who say they hold the "oracles of God" and ask those who have declared themselves to be wise what they mean.

Rather then seeking The One True Wise One! God Himself who inspired the Words. Thus for this reason Christ left to send the Holy Spirit, to lead us into all truth, comfort us with that truth, and speak of Jesus.

Yes, if you truly want to be brought to salvation then you must start at the sacred words, but you must also ask and seek only God's wisdom, not the wisdom of men. They fail to find the Way, the Truth and the Life, because they fail to seek God's wisdom. They rely on their own, and in most cases, never seek God in solitude, but seek wisdom among the "great revelators" of God's Word, the Preachers, the Pastors, the Sunday School Teachers, and even but foremost the Seminary Professors. I have met a few of them, and I know their lives, and they have not the Spirit of God. I wish not anyone seek it from myself either, because I am fallible but the Holy Spirit is not.

If they would but bow on their knees and ask God without doubting for His Wisdom from above. Then they would receive it as James states here:

James 3:17
But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy.

The Creator of heaven and earth and all that is within them is who they need to turn to.
He will give them Wisdom from above that leads to salvation.

Note: STEP ONE - Sacred Writings-  STEP TWO Give you the wisdom-  STEP THREE To Salvation- through faith - which is in Christ Jesus.
Not faith gives you salvation, but the salvation given - gives you His faith, it will make you see in Him all that is of grace and truth and you will trust in Him with all your life!
The better way to put this, is Sacred Writings (scripture)- Gives (not theirs or your wisdom) but - HIS Wisdom, which will lead you TO - note not "give you salvation," but LEAD YOU to salvation which is in Christ Jesus through faith.

Yes, if we are led to salvation we will have faith, but faith is not what leads us to salvation, God's wisdom does, but none seek it, they seek not the Spirit to teach them, they seek out other men, and they rarely open the sacred writings to read them for themselves. They seek others to tell them what they mean before they ever will crack the book open for themselves and read it, prayerfully.
They will rarely test things they have been told, to see if they are true.
Many folks of Christendom prefers, a daily devotion, or a fast read of one passage, as if they have done their duty before God, or obtained their horoscope for the day.Most prefer no read at all but for the Pastor's sermon. How can they therefore expect to be led to Salvation. They haven't incorporated STEP ONE- reading the Sacred Scriptures, STEP TWO- obtained God's Wisdom.. STEP THREE IS FAR FROM THEM.
Those that first begin to study it- when they read it, and don't understand it, they don't seek God to open their eyes to see, and their ears to hear, they look to men to tell them what it means, rather then God who wrote it. Most of these, are off in Bible School or Seminary, where the word will be polluted by the learned holy men of past, who only hold the "oracles of God". They will read of Augustine, Luther, Calvin and more. Long before they will spend time on their knees before God who wrote it, asking, "what Lord would you have to say to me?"
They ask not that God alone will give them His wisdom to understand the sacred writings, which leads to salvation. They pick up a King James which is not our English of today and or just pass it off, by saying, I can't understand it. I'll just let the preacher tell me what it says. MAJOR ERROR from the start!

James 1:5
But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him.

But they don't and here is why!

But he must ask in faith without any doubting, for the one who doubts is like the surf of the sea, driven and tossed by the wind.

Herein is men's problem:
1 Corinthians 2:7-13
but we speak God's wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory; the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory;which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.
1 Corinthians 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God For it is written, "He is THE ONE WHO CATCHES THE WISE IN THEIR CRAFTINESS";

Where men fail, is they often stop at the sacred writings then try to seek their own wisdom from them. This word here wisdom is well defined throughout Scripture if you will look at all the New Testament and Old Testament is not a wisdom which one can say "the wisdom I came up with" but it is the wisdom of what God teaches us if we are seeking Him with all our hearts, mind, strength and soul.
It comes from the indwelling life of Christ within us, if we are already his. If we aren't yet saved, then it still comes from the Father of Lights above, for all good things given to men, come from Him above. Jesus taught that God gives rain to the just and the unjust. But it still comes from His hand not our own.

For the one who has Christ, He should not ever fear those with their carnal wisdom of the Bible.


Luke 21:15
for I will give you utterance and wisdom which none of your opponents will be able to resist or refute.

Thus men from the beginning of  the birth of God's Ekklesia ( called out one's), many men from outside of the Ekklesia being men of corrupt minds and hearts led others to disobey this passage that give us Wisdom from above; and tells us from whence it should come, and they begin to seek teachers outside of the Spirit of God given to them by grace in Jesus Christ.

John warned the early Christians those born of His Spirit.

1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.

Men started to give heed and honor unto men instead of God, and then thereby giving heed to men as their head instead of Christ they ended up giving heed to doctrines of demons, doctrines of men,  traditions of men, not of God as taught by the indwelling Holy Spirit, and every man since that has only sought God's wisdom and recieved it from above have been persecuted by the carnal man, and the carnal institutions of men, because the children of the Flesh always persecute the children of the Spirit. Church history is full of this, of those who believed they held all the wisdom, had shut the door to the Holy Spirit, and stood in the temple of God (their bodies) and declared themselves to be God, thus the spirit of Anti-Christ was already among them as John writes.

1 John 2:18
Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.

Thus men's wisdom has ten of thousands of refutations and is resisted, and there are denominations and cults, and leaders and etc, who still rely on the wisdom of men, and do not seek nor ask for the wisdom of God which comes from above and then only will WISDOM come from the sacred writings.

We can read from the beginning that the Serpent (acting as adversary to men),  this beast of the field , used God's words to entice Eve and the again we read of another encounter with an Adversary (satan) of men, useing God's words to try to entice Jesus for carnal things, bywords found in the the sacred writings, when they were meant for spiritual good. This adversary tries to draw Jesus mind to the flesh, the carnal, to get him to act in the flesh, the carnal. This adversary FAILS - because in this case, He encountered one who was born of the Spirit and not the flesh.
Thus the spiritual man can discern that which is spiritual but the carnal man, cannot.
Eve was of the flesh she was made from and out of the flesh of Adam , she was carnal, she couldn't percieve God's statement about not to eat of the Tree, this commandment of God.
She was thinking only in terms of the carnal,  she was carnally minded, a living being made from dust, she was thinking how it would appease her flesh, how it looked good, and was pleasing to her sight, that it was good for food which God had even said about the tree: These were not lies, but truth, it is the last thing, that comes that is a partial lie, for it is withheld from her that God is much more then the knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 2:9
Out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Where the enticement came in, and presented itself that was a lie, the lie was not that the tree wasn't pleasing to the sight, nor that it wasn't good for food, for God had looked on all of His creation and called it good, which at the time included the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and even the SERPENT, but in this case. Some and if not most teach this was an entity called Satan a fallen angel that came and appeared as a serpent, others say this serpent was possesed of Satan, but no where in Genesis are we told either one of these, again men comes in and puts his own wisdom into this account and presumes to know, then tells the people "it is so." They are wrong, Scripture is right!

God spoke the commandment to Adam in the beginning... not Eve for she had surely only heard from the lips of Adam and not God, for Eve had not yet even come forth from Adam yet when the commandment was spoken to him.
In the beginning Adam  was put into the Garden of Eden and not even created in it.Hollywood and preachers like to believe differently.Adam was about to be put into this new environment before Eve.


 Genesis 2:15-17


Then the LORD God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it.


The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely;
but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die." 

Eve was not there to hear from God. She must have heard from Adam this commandment.

Eve was fed the lie, that she by knowing the difference between good and evil would bel like God.
Which meant she didn't know either one, which can mean only that since she was one flesh with Adam neither did he.
He could only know what God told Him but Adam knew not yet whether what God told him was good or evil.
He had only the knowledge of God's existence, the knowledge of his existence, the Garden the world to which He had been put in, that of Eve, and the other beast created in this world, he didn't know really much of anything, but God created Him in His image with all intent for Adam to come to know what God knows beyond just good and evil.
The knowledge of good and evil would be lesson number one. If it stops there, men know nothing, and the rest of it can only as in the beginning come by the will of God. Men didn't step out of the will of God, just the commandment of God.
His commandments as He will show, do not give life, only He does, and thus it only comes, from the Tree of Life, which men would come to know which  is Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1:16
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him.

Men live on that basis, thinking that in knowing the difference between good and evil that they are like God and that they can perceive of spiritual things, by their own efforts, sweat and work over the sacred writings without hearing or listening to God they think that even they were created for themselves, but the verse above shows that not to be true. They were created through Him and FOR HIM!

Eve was told that it would make her like God, she had no knowledge yet of spiritual things to even desire to listen to God and what He said, and thus the mess mankind was put into in their eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil were but for a reason and plan of God's own:
Ephesians 1:11
......... according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,

 that we might come to know the Creator and whom we were created for, we were created FOR the very Son of God, Jesus Christ, and in coming to know that. He would create us to become the sons of God as well, which we couldn't until we obtained spiritual reasoning and not just the carnal reasoning as earthly men.
In the fall as men call it, the purposes of God were yet at work, though sin, had to come, with it, so that men would know deliverance from it's power and it's consequences death.
To know life one must come to know death. To know good and evil one must first come to know the differences. God's school to His children, began in the Garden of Eden and proceeded from there. From there the story begins of the Creators schooling to bring us to know Christ. From the first commandment in the Garden through the 613 commandments given unto Israel...

Galatians 3:24-25


 ²⁴Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.
 ²⁵But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

Christ on earth among men (the very essence of the Father in human flesh) being the final lesson for us, in the life he lived, the words he spoke and the death he died, the very Wisdom of God revealed to all men, one that we are to be brought to, all of it, from beginning to end was for one purpose that men might see from who all things were created, both in heaven and earth, visible and invisible, thrones or dominion, rulers or authorities all things have been created through Him and not for men but for HIM- Jesus Christ the first begotten Son.
Men have held onto the idea that men or the First Adam was the first begotten son, and this is not true, the Last Adam is, and is from Him that we will now truly know the Father by His Spirit which He has freely bestowed on us by His grace that we too may also be sons of God.
It is in Christ death, that we are freed to see that God is Love, it is in Christ resurrection we are freed to live the life as His children, it is in Christ ascension that we see, the power of being a child, it is in Pentecost we see the power given unto us, to live as He did, to die as He did, and to be resurrected as He did, and to be brought to the Father to reign with Christ as He reigns with the Father.
It is in Christ we find freedom from the bondage of the earthy man, the first Adam, it is in Christ we find in our freedom to live as the Last Adam the first begotten of God. It is in and by Christ that we now are graced to be called the children of God and even His brethren.
The first man was earthy made from the dust of the earth, the Last Adam was born of the Spirit made of the Spirit, and we now have a new father of the human race, and he is not the earthy father, but the spiritual father Jesus Christ from whom our lives have been derived.He has given unto us, a new life, as New Creations in Him, through Him, and by Him.

From dust we came, placed into the Garden of Eden, God breathed life into us, and made us a living being as He is: Though living beings, He is Spirit, we were flesh, made of dust.

Genesis 2:7 Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.


but men in his beginning had no spiritual knowledge no concept of even right or wrong.
But Adam did have a commandment from God and he had some conception of fellowship with God, but He was joined as one with Eve now, they had become one flesh. Adam has no spiritual faculty yet, no spiritual reason as of yet. Though God breathed life into him, this is the same breath given to all creatures on earth that make them "living souls." or living beings. This was not the Holy Spirit, as some would have you believe. This was the power of  the Creator, that God uses to create all things, animals included who breathe a breath.

Genesis 2:21-25
So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place.
The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man.
The man said,
"This is now bone of my bones,
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man."


24 For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.
25 And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.

Thus God utilized the serpent and gave it speech, for IT ( a mere beast who was more cunning then the others) .
.Genesis 3:1
  .....Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.....

God uses this beast to entice that which was purely Carnal made of flesh - Eve who was of Adam.
Adam who also was earthly made from dust, but it was Adam to whom the commandment had been given by God.

Where was Adam, why didn't He speak up?
Why was Eve being the one talked to, though the Scripture tells us He was with her when she ate, why did

he choose to eat it as well?
Was he right there with her, when she ate, or when she was also tempted?
Scripture only tells us, he was there 'with her" when she ate.

2 Corinthians 11:3
³But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.
(Please note here, Paul does not call this serpent- Satan- either) Paul repeats exactly what Genesis ONLY says, not what men have added to the story.  He does not go beyond what is written. Where other men dare go..all the time.

These questions I placed here are left without answer in the account of the story, having been filled in for us by the vain imaginations of men and Hollywood but are not told us in Scripture.See we may ask questions not told to us in the story, be such wise men we are, but we are not to FILL IN THE ANSWERS. like some test in school you take. God does not wish to tell us the answers here, we are to go alone WHAT IS WRITTEN.

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Perhaps men and ladies born of His Spirit and washed in His blood, we need to heed this passage of Scripture to understand the will today of God in our dealing with one another as husbands and wives.


Though one in flesh with your wife, God did create you first, and her from your side, not underneath you but of your side, but all the same she was not created from your head. It is the mind to which God speaks first to you and then into your heart. These statement listed below are from Paul speaking, the other were practices that Paul didn't condone, but he does show, yes, there are differences but in those there is equality between men and women in Christ.
I Corinthians 11
 ³But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.
For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man;
 ⁹for indeed man was not created for the woman's sake, but woman for the man's sake.
¹¹However, in the Lord, neither is woman independent of man, nor is man independent of woman.
 ¹²For as the woman originates from the man, so also the man has his birth through the woman; and all things originate from God.
 
If you  as the MAN don't listen to God, how can SHE ever hear from Him.
Take your role as head, not by being a power over her, but by coming alongside of her,and keeping God as your head,  but women let your husband be the one that is in spiritual leadership of your household if you are both born of Him from above.Christ is the head of you both. If that be the case, there are other cases where one of the partners may be someone yet, who knows not Christ.
Women before you run off to follow some "spiritual guru", or 'spiritual teaching,' or some religious fad or teacher - ask your husband, and pray with Him, both of you get before God, and hear from Him and let your husband take the lead, not as a boss but as fellow sojourner and joint heir in Christ as your husband not because He is greater then you in relationship to the Holy Spirit given you both, but because God put an order of love in our relationships not an order of hierarchy where one rules over the other.

He is one that is one in the flesh with you.She is one that is one in the flesh with you. 
If He believes strongly against something "spiritual' you think you want and need to do, then if and only if, He also is born again, go along with him and submit to him, it will save you a lot of headache and pain in the long run. In things that are of the Spirit, Christ should always be your head, but of other things, you are one flesh and to avoid difficulties and for you to show the love of Christ don't submit out of commandment submit out of love for Him to show God's love in you toward him.
Let Eve be your example of failure (warning) in listening to her husband.
Don't submit out of commandment for if you truly are both born again of His Spirit there will be a love to submit to one another.
The same with the man, you will not submit to any commandment you will submit out of love for God and for your wife.
Galatians 3:21-22
Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be!
For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law.

But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

Scripture is but the written words spoken by God but written by men. From the beginning the first Law could not impart life, when God said NOT to do something.
Don't eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God spoke to Adam, and we can gather from the conversation in here, Adam passed his information from God to Eve.
Genesis 3:2,3
²The woman said to the serpent, "From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat;  ³but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.'"

If it is from God, and you are both born from above by His Spirit, then there will come a unity in decisions especially on spiritual matters.
Men don't just follow along because you are one flesh with her, if you are born of His Spirit always listen to what God is speaking to you first and foremost even over the desires of the one you may love your earthly partner, your wife. If you just go along with her, to make her happy, then you are condoning her actions without the leadership of the Holy Spirit or your love together of God, and you are not listening to God. Hear from Him before you do anything, the both of you, and be sure husband that whatever decision you make is from God, and not because of your prejudices, or dislikes, but what God says, don't touch, don't eat. What I have said here is for when the both of you are on the same page with the Lord, what I say below is for when you are not.

My wife is a young Christian, mostly raised in the church, with little to very little interest in personal serious study in the Word of God. She goes to church, still likes church, but in this though I desire she would not, she is not yet come to the trust in God I am at.
I will not berate her, or tell her she can't go, or tell her anything any longer about "going to church."
Only the Holy Spirit can reveal to her, the truth. It would not benefit our marriage for me to go,  for it would not benefit me spiritually or be conducive to my personal growth  ( I spent all my life in the church, even as a church worker,( youth pastor, pastor, sunday school teacher, missionary, and evangelist) and I don't want to come home and harp about the lies stated by the preacher or stand up to the preacher in the church and call him down, on his own opinions, and his putting people under the law.
I have gone, and is there is a constant putting people under condemnation by a mixing of grace and law, which is liking mixing driving a car with being drunk. It is headed all for a wreck for the people sitting under those false teachings in men's church. 'been there done that."
She doesn't say anything about me not going, though I know she would prefer a "church goer" but I have tried to explain to her why, but she doesn't understand and will only get mad if I do, so we have an agreement she can go, I don't go, and neither one of us mention to the other.
I am leaving her in the hands of God out of love for Him, and knowing if she does know Him, and is truly born again, then God will teach her not me!
I can't be the Holy Spirit for her.
Ladies don't try to be the Holy Spirit for your husbands either.
If he doesn't want to go, don't nag him and make derogatory comments to him about it either..You either stay at home with him, or go and keep your mouth shut to him.
Respect him first. Love him first.
If you are a Christian, then no where are you commanded to tell your husband to go to church, and no where does Scripture teach we are to go to church.
Church will not save anyone and for those who have been taught of the Spirit, they know the difference, between the Ekklesia and men's church.
Perhaps you don't, and I pray you will, but "go if you must" but if you want to go then for goodness sake act like what you say you are toward your husband he and you are one flesh!

6When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.

If both of you really understand these passages then out of love for one another, she won't want to lead you, and she will desire to be lead by you if you are both in Christ.You won't want to force anything upon her, but will patiently wait on the Lord and pray for her as you will yourself, to be sure all is being done in love.
If their is disagreement yet, then someone and only that person knows who, needs to yet get before the Lord on their knees and hear from God until their is unity.
Not one action should be taken until you hear from God on the matter and are one in spirit as much as you are one in the flesh. Of course as in my case as stated above it is not always possible. So you must ask God for the wisdom from Him on how to handle it. I first tried going out of love for her but that did not benefit us, because she could tell, I wasn't happy there, and would find myself, pointing out Scriptures to her while he was preaching that contradicted everything he said.  She would prefer now to go alone, and I prefer to stay home and pray and study the Word, or meet with a close Christian friend of mine that we are of like mind and heart. "Where ever two or more are gathered in my name, there I am in the midst of them."


As all law there are ways for men to find a way around them, though it always catches up with us, Why, to show that all are shutup under sin!
I am not speaking here just of the laws of the land, or laws of the state or the laws of men, I am speaking of those things, that God has shown us to be true in the carnal that are even necessary to our health, and happiness, that we cannot keep the law, that we need someone to set us free from the bondage, that rushes us headlong into all sin.
We need liberty , we need someone to come inside and change that part of us that will make us slaves of righteousness instead a slave of ourselves (sin and death)
Men are in no need of threatenings about things after they die. They are in death, and they need someone to give them life here and now, which only Jesus Christ can by the new birth of the Spirit from above, who Christ Himself is, and will come inside of any man, woman or child and begin to take those chains that have held them in darkness and break them one by one, in His time, by His own counsel and will, but they need that initial imprisonment to darkness the cells door to be opened, which someone has to do for them, to deliver them from sin and death (hades, the grave of the heart) and set them free. That person is Jesus Christ, the Anointed One, Messiah, Jehovah who save us, The Lion of Judah, the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords, the Almighty One, and He has.

2 Corinthians 5:19
namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Romans 5:15
But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many.

They may walk out of their prison cell, and still yet be dragging their chains with them, but God will one by one, take them off as well, until  it will alas dawn on them they are truly FREE!

For me it took from age six years old, when I first heard the message that Christ died for my sins, no threat of hell but knowing I was a sinner, I wanted to be saved. The cell doors were taken down then, but I wondered in the prison yard with my chains yet on me, for years, largely due to my religious background and being brought up in religion, as a church kid, and church adult, and even then God would cut loose a chain now and then, but I didn't step out of the prison yard, until in 2001, through events in my life, God begin to tear off and break numerous chains that still were trying to hang on, but God did the removal one by one with His cutting torch, His fire, of love, until one day in 2010 I awakened from my slumber, to find myself outside the gates of that old prison, completely unchained, and no more memory of the bondage, or desire for it, but only the joy of freedom in Him.
What joy it is, my heart sings of the glorious freedom found in my Savour and Lord Jesus Christ, He never let me go, He set me free from the cell, then begin to remove all that ever held me in bondage, year after year, victory after each defeat, until I no longer wanted to hang around the prison yard, but wanted to get out the gates, but I couldn't find the strength to do so, but He did, and wham I found myself in the parking lot, in the back seat of His limousine, and He is doing the driving now, and I am along for the ride. I am gloriously set free! I am enjoying the ride through beautiful open spaces in heavenly places.

Romans 5:11
And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

Even Atheist have developed a law unto themselves, and if questioned and pushed will admit they can't keep their own standards of good and their own moral ideals so who are they to tell the God of righteousness and love what He should have done, and how can they say according to them, they can't believe in Him because he hasn't.
You must destroy their god first and show them as well they are as much in bondage to the sin they accuse those who beleive in God are. This ruins their argument if their is a God he would not allow evil to continue and those who call themselves Christians wouldn't do the evil they do.
They must be shown the source of evil comes not from some entity of evil, but that source of all evil comes from within themselves, Mankind!

Then show your agreement that those that are truly matured and in full stature of Christ do have changed hearts and minds would not do the evil they have seen so many do, not yet loosened from the chains of sin or the habits of the flesh, and especially those who are no brethern at all as of yet.
Explain to them as a true believer you despise war, hatred, poverty, powers of men over men, etc, and that the only answer is God who really changes hearts, let them see the love God has changed you into.
The false prophets and teachers, aren't interested in their deliverance from the bondage of sin that all men were in bondage to.
They are only interested in a notch for their belt, to get someone over to believe their doctrines or their religion. To get them there to "ask Jesus into their heart so they can be saved from eternal torment."
They have the wrong Gospel, they preach another Gospel, Jesus came to deliver us from the
bondage we were in, and in so doing delivered us from sin and death, which is HELL!
I truly love the Atheist, and the unbelievers, do you?
Or do you say, to them after your doctrine where this God was suppose to love them so much He would send His Son to die on a cross for them to set all men free unconditionally and then you put a condition on it.. when they don't pray your sacramental prayer, or your four spiritual laws guide to prayer for the sinner, or go rushing down your aisle at your temples to the altar of false sacrifice, and you then tell them that's fine, you don't believe it, then you are going to hell!
Some love, you don't yet know love, and I am as sad for you as the Atheist, for you yet need deliverance from sin and death or you are still wondering around the prison yard, like I did for years.
You are still trying to serve the Warden and his guards, instead of the God that set you free.
You have confused the Warden and his guards, or the Governor of the state you were in, with the President of the Universe who wrote your pardon in the blood of Jesus Christ!

You yet are to come to know the love of God, you are yet carnal, and have not recieved the Wisdom which is from above, you are relying on earthly wisdom of men, who have no regard to seek God's wisdom but rely on their own.

There are some things, that a woman shouldn't do, and that is not to make decisions that will effect you both spiritually in the long run without your husband taking the lead in it.Those that prefer to do what they want to do, God will correct them at some point.

Men don't just follow along because you are one flesh with her, if you are born of His Spirit always listen to what God is speaking to you first and foremost even over the desires of the one you may love your earthly partner, your wife. If you just go along with her, to make her happy, then you are condoning her actions without the leadership of the Holy Spirit or your love together of God, and you are not listening to God. Hear from Him before you do anything, the both of you, if possible, and be sure husband that whatever decision you make is from God, and not because of your prejudices, or dislikes,but what God says to you, don't touch, don't eat.

6 When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.

Thus the last Adam He was born with Spiritual reasoning, born by the very essence of Who God is- Spirit and Love.
He and only in Him can we find Spiritual reasoning, but we too must be born of His Spirit and not our own reasoning before we may understand spiritual matters. This includes the reality of Who we are, Why we are Here, Who is God, what does He want of men, and why did he even create us?
These answers are what all philosophy, religion, science and literature, alas that history proves men search for.
In Christ alone is the answer. All the rest may be helpful in assisting a man with the questions and what should be asked, but none hold the answer, only Jesus Christ revealed to us as the Son of God, who reveals God does.
The carnal man is but seeking still to live under the revealing of the First Adam, under the shadows of the Carnal Man but it is the Last Adam Jesus Christ- the Spiritual Man that reveals God's plan for men and ALL the answers to the questions.
I can't tell you why I digressed from original intent of this article to share my dream with you other then that Christ was the dream of my life that came true. So I have shared some other things on my heart today with you, my readers. I intend to share this dream I had and what I believe the interpretation is for ME, and the Three Sticks with you on my next blog, I lost track and ended up going the direction I did.

To not allow this blog to be any longer, I will put the dream out tomorrow for you. So come back by.

I pray this article may bless you. All comments are welcome.

Joseph Black D.D.