New Video: Does God Learn?
From where did God's Knowledge & Wisdom come?
Click here: http://www.bible-truths.com/video/WhereGodsKnowledgeL.wmv
This video and with what L. Ray has to say here, should blow your mind, and spiritually touch your heart to see some truth as it did me, even more then just what is said here.
Here is what the Spirit of the Lord showed me, in what he says. He doesn’t say what I saw here in what He said, but this is what the Spirit of the Lord showed me in what he said, but which is what I believe he means to teach here spiritually.
Colossians 1:16
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him.
Who? Wisdom that's who. Who is Wisdom - Jesus Christ- that's who.
I Corinthians 2:6-16
6 Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away;
7but we speak God's wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory;
8 the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory;
9 but just as it is written,
"THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD,
AND which HAVE NOT ENTERED THE HEART OF MAN,
ALL THAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM."
10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.
11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God,
13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.
14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
15 But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one.
16For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM?
But we have the mind of Christ.
Can you see it, Christ is the Wisdom that he is speaking about here.
This will help you to see what I see how God sees.... God in seeing Jesus (his created being, the man -Jesus)- by His foreknowledge of ALL THINGS IN MAN’S HISTORY that He (GOD THE CREATOR) would bring about. (that He the Father would come and give birth, to Jesus by His Spirit through a young maiden named Mary) and in Jesus- the man, would be the full expression of HIM- God.
Jesus -the man, Christ- the God.
Yes, Christ *Anointed One, has always been- He is pre-existent, and Jesus was already with the Father, for Wisdom (Jesus the man, his created being) came forth out of the Father by His foreknowledge of what He was going to do, in creating the man Jesus that He would send forth to suffer, and die, and redeem all of His creation. Thus GOD SUFFERED by His foreknowledge, and Wisdom came forth to create what we read in Genesis - In the beginning!
This Jesus, the man, born in human flesh but by the Spirit of God, is, was and always has been, though he had not been in human history yet,so He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the End, of creation - man's history!
Yet, people do not believe, that since all creation began in Him that it won't end in Him- the great consummation that Scripture is so clear about, where "God will be all in all."
There are not THREE GODS but only the one TRUE God, from which Wisdom (the Son) was birthed from and that came and is and always was!
Thus GOD WAS IN CHRIST, of course He was!
Thus, Jesus would be and is- the Son of God and Son of Man.
Who now sits at the right hand (authority and power) of the Father, Our Creator.
God realizes and experiences suffering.... GOD DID AND DOES AND HAS SUFFERED.
Christ “learned” obedience through suffering,
Christ suffered so that we might live!
but more than that, what I see now is because God knew and experienced those same sufferings in complete reality, He suffered, and this suffering, produced the Wisdom that came forth from Him which created all things.
See the circle of how God sees, it is infinitive, and immortal, it has no beginning and no end. God is, and always will be. God was and is now. Thus this Wisdom that came from within God to create was there already but was birthed out of the foreknowledge of Him, knowing from within Him, within His very self, He would bring forth the man Jesus, who would be the full expression of Him, who would suffer and God would suffer with Him, so God experienced that suffering as well, and out of that suffering, Came wisdom- Christ, and out of that came "In the beginning".
What a paradigm mind blowing, spiritual blessing understanding.
I got from this one thing that L. Ray went after to seek an answer for. Like a child with a simple child like question. Mommy does God learn?
Jesus said:
Mark 10:15
"Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all."
Does God Learn?
Yes! but no, not in the sense He learned from something outside of Himself, but from within, He suffered, and foreknowing, and from within that foreknowing, He suffered and from within that suffering, WISDOM came forth, and all things were created for Him and by Him
I hope you see this one! It will rattle your cage, and bless you spiritually beyond bounds!
Here is something else to see out of this, nothing is REALLY learned from outside of you- exterior- letter of the word, everything is learned experientially from within you Spirit.
We learn what we really learn, not by what someone else teaches us, but what we learn from our own experiences.
Thus we experience thus we learn. That is why NO man can really learn from just the letter of the word, He must experience the Living Word , to learn, the WISDOM!
“Intelligent answers may come from outward teaching, but Wisdom comes from within.”
I am so thankful for the things I have undergone all my life, all the suffering, all the problems and pain, all my failures, all my missing the marks, because from it, I gained experience which has given me His Wisdom, not just some “book” knowledge” but life knowledge. I only love like I love, because I have experienced His love, which burst through from His Wisdom which too came by pain.
If you suffer, if you are in pain, my message to you, is God HAS SUFFERED AS WELL, and HE IS SUFFERING EVEN NOW in patience, until the plan is revealed as COMPLETE IN CHRIST, which many yet want NOT to see or believe, but someday soon, the plan that Jesus saved all of that which is HIS, His creation will be revealed, and my heart as His heart suffers in patience of awaiting for that glorious day, when Jesus will be revealed to all men, as the ALPHA AND OMEGA!. The beginning for us and the end for all of us.
BTW- L. Ray Stevens is one of most discerning Scriptural teachers I have ever read, that has tremendous Wisdom as well. If you have not ever read anything he has written I challenge you to do so. You can find all of his writings at:
www.bible-truths.com
Ray has been battling stage IV terminal prostate cancer which metastasized a year ago throughout his skull, spine, arms, legs, shoulders, hips and pelvis. His PSA (which should be .5, or certainly no higher than 1 or 2) has risen from 107 last summer, to a staggering 740 by December, 2008.
He is under the extensive care of a local Naturopath, (who has two doctor's degrees) and is following a rather ponderous protocol involving nearly a hundred daily doses of a wide variety of supplements along with daily ozone treatments and various other procedures.
Ray has deeply appreciated hearing from those who have known of his condition. But let it be known that Ray trusts in God for any healing, not in supplements.
March 2010, Ray is still alive and here is the last post, I have found on his condition.
Greetings to God's Elect, Forum members, and bible-truths readers:
I am encouraged by all the emails I receive from many who are praying for my recovery. I wish that I had a better report to give than I am able at this time. Today starts the third week that I am confined to a wheelchair. I cannot walk or stand. Part of the problem is gout. Hospice checked my blood for Uric acid last week, and it was very elevated. Since then, the massive swelling of my feet, right knee, and left hand and fingers, along with the pain has diminished somewhat, but I am still unable to walk or stand. I am not discouraged, however. My trial is not greater than I can bear. The Emphatic Diaglott and the Concordant New Testament renders I Cor. 10:13 better than the King James:
"Now, faithful is God, Who will not be leaving you to be tried above what you are able, but, together with the trial, will be making the sequel also, TO ENABLE YOU TO UNDERGO IT."
I am able to sit and work at my computer on most days. My latest paper: "HELL is a Christian Hoax" is nearing a hundred pages. I thought it would be finished by last Fall--hopefully sometime next month. Look for it at the top of our home page. In fact, below is a reproduction of the first page of my paper:
HELL is a Christian hoax
L. Ray Smith debunks the Christian/Muslim doctrine of an eternal hell while giving a Scriptural critique and commentary on New York Times best selling book: "23 minutes in Hell" by Bill Wiese.
You can read some of this critique at: http://bible-truths.com/23-minutes-in-hell.html
May the God of heaven and earth, grant you His Wisdom, and may you come to know the full breath and knowledge of His encompassing love and mercy toward all of His creation through Jesus Christ His Son.
Joseph W. Black D.D.
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